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DosBox SVN Daum http://ykhwong.xo.st/
by Albrecht Niekamp 30 Jan '18

30 Jan '18

Calculated yesterday´s image with above DosBox again for testing and comparison. 57508-40 and 41. No difference as you can see. There´s no memory problem either, still free blocks and the memory eater evolution mode works perfectly. BUT !! It´s awfully slow. I set the cpu cycles to max and the priority to highest but caculation time is still some hours instead of 30min with VirtualXP Dosmode. So the SDL platform is not "the yellow of the egg" as we say in Germany. Cannot test Jonathan´s SDL Fractint as 1280/1024 and the mmods frm do not work as yet, but it´s a bit faster I suppose. Anyway as an alternative or for sound it is ok. Bill, you say MFR calculation stops after some minutes. Please test this Dosbox. If it still happens you may have a cooling problem with your CPU. Clean it and/or get an additional cooler. There still exist some means to futher speed up performance - increase cpu cycles manually or set a fixed value, which means stress for the CPU of course. I have not changed anymore settings of the config file, maybe there still are some more possible adjustments. Please state if you know any. Thanks. The link is for the DosBox version. ; https://1drv.ms/i/s!AmWYApv7ZBFGgZ0p6k3LIyUm2N4zAA ; Albrecht

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The ORB
by Albrecht Niekamp 30 Jan '18

30 Jan '18

The ORB is a shrine built by the aliens who live in the wormhole next to DeepSpaceNine. If you open it you fall into a trance and step out of time... It´s another zoom into the WonderWheel (nr.8) inviting you to get lost in all the details, maybe the best after the TimeMachine. ; Bill and Tim thank you for the good coperation that finally was successfull, just like in the old Fractint times. Albrecht ---------------------------------------------------Start Par---------------- The ORB { ; 575808-40 ; Zoom into the Wonderwheel ; Time 0.31.13.23 Reso 1280/1024 ; Colors by S.Gallet reset=2004 type=formula formulafile=mfr_14.frm formulaname=mfr_14_2 function=exp/exp/sin/exp passes=t center-mag=0.265885/5.55112e-017/26.08696/1/90/3.88578058618804789e-016 params=-0.05825983458967864/0.3785210730307932/57508.07595722203/54545.4\ 911030602/150512.0404808035/384.320499981271/384.00482000595/750.2000008\ 591/128.7000000351/1024.30000000361 float=y maxiter=3071 inside=maxiter outside=tdis periodicity=0 rseed=-2436 sound=off colors=000WkBPf7Ia5CW27R13M01H00C0081253625B08H0CN0GU1K`3Pg6TmAYrEbvJfyO\ jzTnzZrxcuuhwpmyjqzduzYwzRyyKzwEzu8yr4wo1uk0qg0mc2hZ5cU9ZQFTLLOHSJDZE9eA\ 6k63q32u10x00z00z01y22v54r87lCAfHE_MITRMMXR<2>5kd2ph0sl0vp1ys3zv7zxDzyJx\ zPvzXszboxijvoett`qwWmzQizLeyG`wBXs7Sn4Nh2Jb0FW0BP07I15C327613A01F00J00P\ 12U36_5Bd8HiCNnGUrK`uPgxTmzYrzbvzfyyjzwnztrxquulwphyjbzdYzYTzRNy<2>89r45\ o13k01g00c20Z51U92QF5LL8HSDDZH9eM6kS3qX2ub0xg0zl0zp1yt2vw4ry7<2>_zITxMMv\ R<2>5jd2eh0_l0Vp1Ps3Kv7FxDByJ7zP4zX1zb0xi0vo0tt2qw4mz7izBeyF`wKXsPSnVNh_\ JbeFWjBPn7Ir5Cv27x13z01z00z00y12w36t5Bp8HlC<3>gSTmMYrHbvDfy8jz5nz2rx1uu0\ wp0yj1zd3zY6zR9y<2>8Nr4To1Yk0bg0hc2lZ5qU9tQFwLLyHSzD<2>kx3qu2ur0xn0zi0zd\ 1y_2vU4rP7lJAfFE_AIT6MM3RG1WA0_50d20h02l04p17s3Bv7GxDLyJQzPWzX`zbexijvoo\ ttsqwvmzxizzeyz`wzXsyS<2>bpF }

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The ORB - Link
by Albrecht Niekamp 30 Jan '18

30 Jan '18

Sorry, forgot to include it ; https://1drv.ms/i/s!AmWYApv7ZBFGgZ0oYOWZIxSazTwwjQ ; Albrecht

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Re: [Fractint] // I have little interest in visual fractals of any stripe. //
by Harold Lane 30 Jan '18

30 Jan '18

> I have little interest in visual fractals of any stripe. I know you work with audio a lot. I used to, too, but I'm no longer able to because of problems with my ears. - Hal Lane ######################## # hallane(a)earthlink.net ######################## -----Original Message----- From: Fractint [mailto:fractint-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Bill Jemison Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2018 12:53 PM To: Fractint and General Fractals Discussion <fractint(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: [Fractint] DosBox SVN Daum As I pointed out to you I use Dosbox SVN-Daum on my Win10 64bit system. It works very well for my needs (audio fractals) but I haven’t been able to run multifrac successfully - it bombs out after various time periods. That is of little concern for me, as I am only interested in their possible audio fractal explorations. I have little interest in visual fractals of any stripe. On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 3:28 AM Albrecht Niekamp <Multifrac(a)t-online.de> wrote: > Once again asking for assistance to use it > on Win10_64bit. > Dont really exspect that there is any > because on the DosBox homepage Win10 > is not listed anymore as compatible OS. > This is part of the Microsoft policy > to cut user rights, call that update or even > worse "upgrade" in favor of spy and adware. > In the dosbox forum it was stated that even > VirtualXP has been killed and can no > longer be installed on win10. > So after the next patchday be aware. > Part of this policy is that updates cannot > be shut off anymore, even if the service > is deactivated. Had to learn that the hard way, > when uploading to OneDrive was interrupted > by automatic updating with forced newstart. > Sorry if you object, felt that this was necessary > because it hits Fractint badly. > Albrecht > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Fractint mailing list > Fractint(a)mailman.xmission.com > https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fractint > _______________________________________________ Fractint mailing list Fractint(a)mailman.xmission.com https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fractint --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

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Re: [Fractint] DOSBox SVN-Daum
by Albrecht Niekamp 30 Jan '18

30 Jan '18

Who says you´re not an expert.? It works, my splash screen shows up after start !! Thanks a lot !!! Albrecht On 29.01.2018 21:46, Bill Jemison wrote: > albrecht - it sounds to me as if you don't have your fractint files in > the place(s) that DOSbox is expecting to find them. (I don't think Mr. > Gates is conspiring on this). > > Here is my file structure: > > > 1)As you can see, I have my fractint versions in separate directories > under K:\fractals. So, as shown, version 2004p14 is in > K:\fractals\f2004p14. > > 2)As you can also see, I have all the associated files for fractint > contained in _that directory_, including fractint.cfg and sstools.ini. > I realize that it is certainly possible that you have a more > complicated setup for your file structure, but this setup works for > me, and perhaps if you could try copying your files into a similar > structure just to get Dosbox going you could adjust from there. > > 3)My Dosbox configuration file contains the following - located at > the end of the file: > > **************************************** > [autoexec] > # Lines in this section will be run at startup. > # You can put your MOUNT lines here. > > #### Mount a disk D and point it to the fractals directory #### > Mount D K:\fractals > > #### go to that disk #### > d: > > #### change the directory to the version of fractint I want to run #### > cd\f2004p14 > > #### I use this as a toggle between versions #### > #cd\f1961p > > #### enter the startup command for fractint #### > fractint.exe textsafe=save maxhistory=100 > > ************************************************* > > I'll admit that I am not at all an expert on setting up fractint. I > don't use any autoexec files to run it (other than the autoexec > section of DOSBox SVN-Daum config file shown above). I've got a one > track mind in regards to fractint. I am only really interested in > audio, and this setup works for me. > > I think it is informative to note the following: > > If you contrast my K:\fractals\f2004p14 directory to the > K:\fractals\f1961p directory you will see that the K:\fractals\f1961p > doesn't contain all the fractint related files and directories: > > > This setup means that the only par file it finds is 8_30.par. It is > blind to the other pars in any other directory, meaning that they > should be included explicitly in all directories which fractint is run > from. I am sure there are ways to get around this, but I don't know > how, and as long as I can get things working as I am able to, I am > willing to maybe not have the most efficient setup. > > I hope this helps. If you have questions ask...I'll try to answer. > > Bill > Audio Fractals <https://sites.google.com/site/audiofractals/home> > > On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 5:01 PM, Albrecht Niekamp > <Multifrac(a)t-online.de <mailto:Multifrac@t-online.de>> wrote: > > Thanks, Bill > but did not work as exspected - must have some > other reason, possibly user rights, after all. > Re multifrac pars pls experiment with memory > settings in config (umb, ems etc)- ems should be set to false > if I remember well. > > On 27.01.2018 23:37, Bill Jemison wrote: > > However, I have not been able to reliably run multifrac pars, > as I have said previously. I hope this helps you in some way. > > >

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Re: [Fractint] DOSBox SVN-Daum
by Albrecht Niekamp 29 Jan '18

29 Jan '18

Thank you, Bill It´s a good try and works with my changes perfectly in VirtualXP - so I will keep it but with DOSBOX just nothing happens - fractint does not start apparently - i use the dosbox SVN Daum that Hal suggested with a lot of aditional settings in the program folder. And another hot tip: VirtualXP from Oracle has been updated and could be easily installed on Win10-64bit. Albrecht Am 29.01.2018 um 21:46 schrieb Bill Jemison: > albrecht - it sounds to me as if you don't have your fractint files in > the place(s) that DOSbox is expecting to find them. (I don't think Mr. > Gates is conspiring on this).

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Dosbox SVN Daum and DosBox 0.74
by Albrecht Niekamp 29 Jan '18

29 Jan '18

This is the list of compatible Win Systems as per Chip downloads * Windows 8 * Windows 7 * Windows Vista * Win XP * Win 2000 * Win Me * Win 98 Once again asking for assistance to use it on Win10_64bit. Dont really exspect that there is any because also on the DosBox homepage Win10 is not listed anymore as compatible OS. This is part of the Microsoft policy to cut user rights, call that update or even worse "upgrade" in favor of spy and adware. In the dosbox forum it was stated that even VirtualXP has been killed and can no longer be installed on win10. So after the next patchday be aware. Part of this policy is that updates cannot be shut off anymore, even if the service is deactivated. Had to learn that the hard way, when uploading to OneDrive was interrupted by automatic updating with forced newstart. Sorry if you object, felt that this was necessary because it hits Fractint badly. Albrecht _______________________________________________ Fractint mailing list Fractint(a)mailman.xmission.com https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fractint

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Re: [Fractint] Dosbox SVN Daum and DosBox 0.74
by Jonathan Osuch 28 Jan '18

28 Jan '18

Albrecht > > Once again asking for assistance to use it > on Win10_64bit. See: www.dosbox.com/wiki/SVN_Builds DosBox 0.74 works for me under Win10 64-bit. Can change to 1024x768 graphics mode. Using your 58484-w7a PAR as a test case I get a bunch of sqrtl domain error messages, but then the fractal generates. DosBox SVN-lfn using the one compiled with MinGW starts (the one compiled with Visual C did not), did not let me change the Fractint graphics mode to anything above 320x200. The latest version of DosBox SVN Daum lets me change Fractint to 1024x768, but the text screens are messed up. Running 58484-w7a gives the error "FPU stack overflow". See the description in the wiki above, it is listed under Obsolete SVN/CVS builds. Perhaps an earlier version will work. I think that is how that all went. I didn't take good notes. My sticky (and memory) ran out of room. At any rate, the only one that I got to work with 58484-w7a was DosBox 0.74. The Linux version of Fractint (both the old version and the SDL 64-bit version) run 58484-w7a with no problems. The Windows version of SDL Fractint has problems because the compiler has problems with how long double variables are handled. I have tried 4 or 5 different compilers with no success (hence the last executable was non-functional). I want to use similar compilers (gcc) in Linux and Windows to minimize the use of compile time workarounds (#ifdef statements), which make debugging more difficult. Jonathan

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DosBox SVN Daum
by Albrecht Niekamp 28 Jan '18

28 Jan '18

Once again asking for assistance to use it on Win10_64bit. Dont really exspect that there is any because on the DosBox homepage Win10 is not listed anymore as compatible OS. This is part of the Microsoft policy to cut user rights, call that update or even worse "upgrade" in favor of spy and adware. In the dosbox forum it was stated that even VirtualXP has been killed and can no longer be installed on win10. So after the next patchday be aware. Part of this policy is that updates cannot be shut off anymore, even if the service is deactivated. Had to learn that the hard way, when uploading to OneDrive was interrupted by automatic updating with forced newstart. Sorry if you object, felt that this was necessary because it hits Fractint badly. Albrecht

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DOSBox SVN-Daum .conf file info
by Harold Lane 28 Jan '18

28 Jan '18

Bill, Albrecht is talking about DOSBox SVN-Daum. Are you running DOSBox SVN-Daum or the original DOSBox, Bill? I think I remember reading on the internet that their configuration files are different in places and potentially incompatible. Tim Wegner is running DOSBox SVN-Daum under Windows 10. See below. Albrecht, Please see Tim's [Fractint] 1/25/2018 [Fractint] post about the configuration file for DOSBox Daum. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- I just found a voluminous DOSBox SVN-Daum .conf file! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- The bottom of the last post on this page by "waltc": https://www.gog.com/forum/stonekeep/full_screen_mode includes a link to a DOSBox SVN-Daum .conf file that has a .jpg extension with the instructions "Here's my conf file...(just remove the .jpg to view)" -- which did not work for me. I discovered that some browsers (e.g.: Firefox) refuse to display this text file, so once I successfully viewed it with MS IE, I put it on my server with a .txt extension if you want to look at it. It appears to contain a tremendous number of options to get many specific DOS games (and the hardware they require) running. Fractint's needs are comparatively simple -- hi res graphics -- and possibly a sound card, so we won't need *everything* that "waltc" has in their .conf file. Here's that DOSBox SVN-Daum .conf file: http://tinyurl.com/DOSBox-SVN-Daum-conf-file or: http://www.emarketingiseasy.com/DOSBox_SVN-Daum/_List_of_commands_in_a_DOSB… "waltc" further says: ---------------------------- I'd strongly advise you to use this version of Dosbox: http://ykhwong.xo.st/ It is Dosbox-svn-daum and it is much better than the anemic version of dosbox Gog [Great Old Games -Hal] ships, imo. This version of Dosbox svn-daum (published Jan 27 2014) includes a 64-bit version of dosbox & allows you to use any of a wide variety of pixel shaders...Highly recommended... I run the game [StoneKeep, I think] @ 1920x1200 with a D3d pixel shader that cleans up the graphics significantly...but there's only so much that's possible with this old game, as you note...;)...I found that the 64-bit version of dosbox pretty much doubles the animation and game frame rates and of course allows the game to use more ram and resources than the 32-bit version of dosbox.exe. ---------------------------- I'm guessing that Fractint doesn't use pixel shaders, so this particular concern may not apply to Fractint -- just to live action games. Another user, "iancurtis", on that page listed their graphics settings. Here they are: ------------------------------ My graphic settings: (dont know which shader to use there for best quality) fullscreen=false fulldouble=false fullresolution=desktop windowresolution=1920x1200 output=direct3d autolock=true sensitivity=100 waitonerror=true priority=higher,normal mapperfile=mapper-SVN-Daum.map pixelshader= usescancodes=false overscan=0 ------------------------------ I believe that some of these commands are likely to be the same as in "vanilla" (non-SVN-Daum) DOSBox, so the DOSBox Wiki may will give useful info about these commands for use in DOSBox SVN-Daum: http://www.dosbox.com/wiki/ Their discussion of the vanilla DOSBox .conf file is here: http://www.dosbox.com/wiki/Dosbox.conf I also found a page that discusses: "Is there a way to make a Windows shortcut that will run a dos program through DosBox automatically, without the need to open DosBox mount a drive etc. manually?" http://tinyurl.com/Windows-shortcut-2run-Fractint or: https://superuser.com/questions/195755/windows-shortcut-that-runs-through-d… Doing this allows just a double click on the shortcut icon to set up and run Fractint in DOSBox SVN-Daum. Tim Wegner posted: -------------------------------------------------- I have SVN Daum working fine under Windows 10. The *.conf file has a different name for the Daum version than for the regular DOSBox. Mine is: C:\Users\twegner\AppData\Local\DOSBox\SVN-Daum.conf The fractint-specific part of the conf file is at the bottom: [autoexec] # Lines in this section will be run at startup. # You can put your MOUNT lines here. mount c c:\fractint c: fractint My fractint setup is in c:\fractint under windows 10. So under DOS_Box the fractint directory is c:\, and my autoexec.bat runs fractint (that's really optional). You will need to do something more to give DOSBox access to your fractal files directory. ----------------------------------------------------- Please note Tim's: "You will need to do something more to give DOSBox access to your fractal files directory." Here's a wild guess: Possibly another Mount command pointing to your fractal files directory?... Tim, Do you know if my guess is right? <---<< <---<< I'm getting interested in trying to get Fractint running in DOSBox SVN-Daum... I got a Windows copy of DOSBox SVN-Daum (Jan. 25. 2015 ver.) from: http://ykhwong.xo.st/ > Download > DOSBox SVN builds - Hal Lane ######################## # hallane(a)earthlink.net ######################## -----Original Message----- From: Fractint [mailto:fractint-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Bill Jemison Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2018 5:23 PM To: Fractint and General Fractals Discussion <fractint(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: [Fractint] SDL Version Albrecht - I will email you myconfig file for DOSBox, which works on my W10 64bit system. Bill Jemison Audio Fractals <https://sites.google.com/site/audiofractals/home> On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 3:03 PM, Albrecht Niekamp <Multifrac(a)t-online.de> wrote: > My system is Win10_64bit. > Due to fundamental problems I have > given up using the SDL Version, these > are not caused by the MFR Software. > Now trying to use DosBox SVN Daum, > installed inspite a warning on the net. > Problem: Fractint completely fails : > on all searches "nofiles" error, - images, > frms, pars and so on also Not caused by > "autoexecute" ! > All known versions of sstools tested, > inside or outside the Fractint folder, > manual reso calling does not help. > Maybe it´s a problem of user rights > or lack of 16bit support after latest "upgrade". > Any help welcome, > Albrecht > > _______________________________________________ > Fractint mailing list > Fractint(a)mailman.xmission.com > https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fractint > _______________________________________________ Fractint mailing list Fractint(a)mailman.xmission.com https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fractint --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

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