Overlaying authorities in Millennium
Hi In MillCat I have no problem overlaying changed authorities that have been sent to us by Backstage during the Notification service - but although we have AACP turned on, it doesn't change headings in bibliographic records. I even suppress and unsuppress the authorities after overlaying to try to force a change in the bibliographic headings, but nothing happens. Can anyone tell me why this is? This holds true of our a, d, e, and j (MesH) indexes. Regards Paul Davey Cataloguing Services Manager Wellcome Library 183 Euston Road London NW1 2BE T +44 (0)20 7611 8493 E p.davey@wellcome.ac.uk The Wellcome Trust is a charity registered in England, no. 210183. Its sole trustee is The Wellcome Trust Limited, a company registered in England, no. 2711000, whose registered office is at 215 Euston Road, London NW1 2BE, UK. This message has been scanned for viruses by BlackSpider MailControl - www.blackspider.com
Paul, I'm interested in your experience, as we haven't yet received our first notification service run (and we also have III). Did you wait until the following day to see if the bib heading changes were made (per the second note on manual page # 101467)? Bob Thomas Integrated Systems Librarian & Principal Cataloger Western Washington University Bellingham, WA 360-650-7458 -----Original Message----- From: bslwac-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:bslwac-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Davey ,Paul Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 1:59 AM To: bslwac@mailman.xmission.com Subject: [BSLWAC] Overlaying authorities in Millennium Hi In MillCat I have no problem overlaying changed authorities that have been sent to us by Backstage during the Notification service - but although we have AACP turned on, it doesn't change headings in bibliographic records. I even suppress and unsuppress the authorities after overlaying to try to force a change in the bibliographic headings, but nothing happens. Can anyone tell me why this is? This holds true of our a, d, e, and j (MesH) indexes. Regards Paul Davey Cataloguing Services Manager Wellcome Library 183 Euston Road London NW1 2BE T +44 (0)20 7611 8493 E p.davey@wellcome.ac.uk The Wellcome Trust is a charity registered in England, no. 210183. Its sole trustee is The Wellcome Trust Limited, a company registered in England, no. 2711000, whose registered office is at 215 Euston Road, London NW1 2BE, UK. This message has been scanned for viruses by BlackSpider MailControl - www.blackspider.com _______________________________________________ BSLWAC mailing list BSLWAC@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bslwac
Hi Bob Thanks for the reply. I do wait to the next day, yes, and in fact I've tried all sorts of permutations like overlaying one day, suppressing the next, unsuppressing the next, then looking at the bibs that day after that, but there's never a change. What I generally do in fact is to overlay a batch, then eyeball the HTML reports sent by Backstage at the same time as the files. Most of the changes don't affect the 1XX -- 95 percent of them are changes like adding new 4XX or 670, quite a lot in fact are just cases where the authorized heading used to end with a full stop (sorry, period) and now DLC have revised it by taking out the full stop. So most of those things are not going to impinge on bib headings at all. But if the 1XX itself has been amended in a significant way, I do a manual global update (if you see what I mean) to the bib records because I know AACP is not going to do the change for me. Cheers Paul davey -----Original Message----- From: bslwac-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:bslwac-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Bob Thomas Sent: 05 September 2007 14:56 To: Backstage Library Works Authority Contol Listserv Subject: RE: [BSLWAC] Overlaying authorities in Millennium Paul, I'm interested in your experience, as we haven't yet received our first notification service run (and we also have III). Did you wait until the following day to see if the bib heading changes were made (per the second note on manual page # 101467)? Bob Thomas Integrated Systems Librarian & Principal Cataloger Western Washington University Bellingham, WA 360-650-7458 -----Original Message----- From: bslwac-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:bslwac-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Davey ,Paul Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 1:59 AM To: bslwac@mailman.xmission.com Subject: [BSLWAC] Overlaying authorities in Millennium Hi In MillCat I have no problem overlaying changed authorities that have been sent to us by Backstage during the Notification service - but although we have AACP turned on, it doesn't change headings in bibliographic records. I even suppress and unsuppress the authorities after overlaying to try to force a change in the bibliographic headings, but nothing happens. Can anyone tell me why this is? This holds true of our a, d, e, and j (MesH) indexes. Regards Paul Davey Cataloguing Services Manager Wellcome Library 183 Euston Road London NW1 2BE T +44 (0)20 7611 8493 E p.davey@wellcome.ac.uk The Wellcome Trust is a charity registered in England, no. 210183. Its sole trustee is The Wellcome Trust Limited, a company registered in England, no. 2711000, whose registered office is at 215 Euston Road, London NW1 2BE, UK. This message has been scanned for viruses by BlackSpider MailControl - www.blackspider.com _______________________________________________ BSLWAC mailing list BSLWAC@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bslwac _______________________________________________ BSLWAC mailing list BSLWAC@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bslwac
Paul, Have you been able to isolate instances when the old version of the 1xx was added as a new 4xx? I haven't been able to isolate this type of record in our normal weekly bib processing (I haven't looked real hard, though). When we get our first authority notification run later this month, I'll be looking for this type of record. In Sirsi's Unicorn, when a 1xx changes Unicorn adds a temporary 4xx that contains the old form of the 1xx. This is used to support automatic updating to the new form. III, however, has no similar feature. If there is no 4xx with the old form, the heading will not be changed to the new form. Unfortunately, with death dates being added to personal name headings and records being transferred from the subject file to the name file (or vice versa), many records with changed 1xx fields do not contain a 4xx with the previous form. Bob
-----Original Message----- From: bslwac-bounces+bob.thomas=wwu.edu@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:bslwac-bounces+bob.thomas=wwu.edu@mailman.xmission.com ] On Behalf Of Davey ,Paul Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 8:14 AM To: Backstage Library Works Authority Contol Listserv Subject: RE: [BSLWAC] Overlaying authorities in Millennium
Hi Bob
Thanks for the reply.
I do wait to the next day, yes, and in fact I've tried all sorts of permutations like overlaying one day, suppressing the next, unsuppressing the next, then looking at the bibs that day after that, but there's never a change.
What I generally do in fact is to overlay a batch, then eyeball the HTML reports sent by Backstage at the same time as the files. Most of the changes don't affect the 1XX -- 95 percent of them are changes like adding new 4XX or 670, quite a lot in fact are just cases where the authorized heading used to end with a full stop (sorry, period) and now DLC have revised it by taking out the full stop. So most of those things are not going to impinge on bib headings at all. But if the 1XX itself has been amended in a significant way, I do a manual global update (if you see what I mean) to the bib records because I know AACP is not going to do the change for me.
Cheers
Paul davey
Hello, ASU has a III system with the automated authority program as well, and we haven't had any "problems." (It's been up & running for at least 8 years, I think.) Unfortunately, the authorities aren't "linked" to the bibs, so a simple change to the 1xx in the AR won't change the bib. The only thing that will change the bib is if the authority record (AR) has a 4xx with an exact match to an existing heading in a bib record. We've also noticed that series & uniform titles won't always flip, either, even if there is an "exact match" -- I think because the bib has a $v or $k or something, and the AR doesn't. Please feel free to contact me off list if you'd like additional information! Becky Uhl Science Cataloger/Authority Control Coordinator Arizona State University Libraries (480) 965-9802 buhl@asu.edu -----Original Message----- From: bslwac-bounces+buhl=asu.edu@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:bslwac-bounces+buhl=asu.edu@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Davey ,Paul Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 8:14 AM To: Backstage Library Works Authority Contol Listserv Subject: RE: [BSLWAC] Overlaying authorities in Millennium Hi Bob Thanks for the reply. I do wait to the next day, yes, and in fact I've tried all sorts of permutations like overlaying one day, suppressing the next, unsuppressing the next, then looking at the bibs that day after that, but there's never a change. What I generally do in fact is to overlay a batch, then eyeball the HTML reports sent by Backstage at the same time as the files. Most of the changes don't affect the 1XX -- 95 percent of them are changes like adding new 4XX or 670, quite a lot in fact are just cases where the authorized heading used to end with a full stop (sorry, period) and now DLC have revised it by taking out the full stop. So most of those things are not going to impinge on bib headings at all. But if the 1XX itself has been amended in a significant way, I do a manual global update (if you see what I mean) to the bib records because I know AACP is not going to do the change for me. Cheers Paul davey -----Original Message----- From: bslwac-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:bslwac-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Bob Thomas Sent: 05 September 2007 14:56 To: Backstage Library Works Authority Contol Listserv Subject: RE: [BSLWAC] Overlaying authorities in Millennium Paul, I'm interested in your experience, as we haven't yet received our first notification service run (and we also have III). Did you wait until the following day to see if the bib heading changes were made (per the second note on manual page # 101467)? Bob Thomas Integrated Systems Librarian & Principal Cataloger Western Washington University Bellingham, WA 360-650-7458 -----Original Message----- From: bslwac-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:bslwac-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Davey ,Paul Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 1:59 AM To: bslwac@mailman.xmission.com Subject: [BSLWAC] Overlaying authorities in Millennium Hi In MillCat I have no problem overlaying changed authorities that have been sent to us by Backstage during the Notification service - but although we have AACP turned on, it doesn't change headings in bibliographic records. I even suppress and unsuppress the authorities after overlaying to try to force a change in the bibliographic headings, but nothing happens. Can anyone tell me why this is? This holds true of our a, d, e, and j (MesH) indexes. Regards Paul Davey Cataloguing Services Manager Wellcome Library 183 Euston Road London NW1 2BE T +44 (0)20 7611 8493 E p.davey@wellcome.ac.uk The Wellcome Trust is a charity registered in England, no. 210183. Its sole trustee is The Wellcome Trust Limited, a company registered in England, no. 2711000, whose registered office is at 215 Euston Road, London NW1 2BE, UK. This message has been scanned for viruses by BlackSpider MailControl - www.blackspider.com _______________________________________________ BSLWAC mailing list BSLWAC@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bslwac _______________________________________________ BSLWAC mailing list BSLWAC@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bslwac _______________________________________________ BSLWAC mailing list BSLWAC@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bslwac
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