Hi,

The codes being referred to serve different and not necessarily equivalent functions.  The 008 lang code is language of publication (that is, the language of the piece itself).  040$b is language of the cataloging agency.  They don’t actually support each other.

 

If the 040$b is absent, then I would be looking at the rest of the description, especially the 300 field and any 5xx fields to see what language was used for the cataloging.  The language of the piece itself is irrelevant.  Any time a cataloger falls into square-bracketed statements, I should think that the content in those brackets would be done in the language of the cataloger, not the language of the piece.

 

So, a CJK piece must be coded 040$b eng if it was cataloged by an English-speaking agency, but the 008 would whatever CJK language it was written in.  If 040$b is absent, 008 doesn’t help me. But the language of the rest of the record would.

 

The German example, to my mind, simply does not have sufficient information to make the call.  008 rightfully matches the language of the title, and that’s all.  Without other fields to look at, I can’t know if “[and others]” is correct.

 

My $.02.

Rocki Strader


The Ohio State University
Rocki Strader, Ph.D., MLIS
Associate Professor & Authorities Librarian
University Libraries
Collection Description and Access Department
120H Library Tech Center
1165 Kinnear Road, Columbus, OH 43212
614-688-8091 Office / 614-292-5214 Fax
strader.2@osu.edu

 

 

From: bslwac-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:bslwac-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Nate Cothran
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2014 11:05 AM
To: Backstage Library Works Authority Contol Listserv
Subject: Re: [BSLWAC] Backstage - [et al.] to [and others]

 

Thanks, Doug. I think it also makes sense to default to [and others] for English-language cataloged records.

 

I do wonder about deferring to 040 $b in all instances, though. For example, I checked 1,000 records from a sample file we recently processed. Out of those 1,000 records there are 14 records which contain 040 $b. Every instance of the 040 $b is “eng”. However, 12 of the 14 records (86%) are CJK. Granted, none of these records has “[et al.]” in the 245 field. But if they did, would it look out of place to have “[and others]” in there? Possibly no more than having “[et al.]” in there in the first place, though we could potentially change it to whatever the equivalent for that is in CJK languages.

 

Here is one more example (from the same sample):

Original Record

008 lang code = ‘ger’

040 $b does not exist in record

245 $a Die Flache :$b Entwurfe fur decorative Malerei, Placate, Buch und Druck … /$c herausgegeben von Felician Baron Myrbach … [et al.].

 

Processed Record

245 $a Die Flache :$b Entwurfe fur decorative Malerei, Placate, Buch und Druck … /$c herausgegeben von Felician Baron Myrbach [and others].

 

-Nate

 

From: bslwac-bounces+nate=bslw.com@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:bslwac-bounces+nate=bslw.com@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Doug Kariel
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2014 4:24 PM
To: Backstage Library Works Authority Contol Listserv
Subject: Re: [BSLWAC] Backstage - [et al.] to [and others]

 

Hi Nate,

I would prefer the [and others] as we catalog in English (040$beng) so our users would expect to see most information in the record in English. 

Maybe it should agree with the language in the 040 $b 

Regards,

Doug.

Doug Kariel
Head, Technical Services and Systems
Athabasca University Library
1 University Dr.
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http://library.athabascau.ca
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Currently, we are changing [et al.] (and a very small permutations of this) to [and others] (BSLW Wiki: link). This change happens for all languages. So if a record is in English, it is updated to [and others]; if a record is in German it is updated to [and others].

 

We are also working on a report that lets you know when we change [et al.] to [and others] and the language code (008[35-37]) is not ‘eng’ (i.e. English).

 

But we wanted to check with you all about whether it made sense to change [et al.] to the foreign-language equivalent of [and others], based on the 008[35-37] language code.

 

For example, if 008[35-37] is ‘ger’ (i.e. German), would you want us to change [et al.] to [und andere]? Or we should we continue changing it to [and others]? Please note that this change only happens for clients that have instructed us to do so via RDA 4.1 (online profile).

 

Thank you for any thoughts you may have on this question.

 

 

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