From hlinares at utenet.com.ar Tue Jun 1 08:04:40 2004 From: hlinares at utenet.com.ar (Hugo Linares) Date: Mon May 31 20:09:58 2004 Subject: Cornelius! References: Message-ID: <008a01c447e1$62b10ac0$b29145c8@pc> By the way; any other recommendations from Cornelius apart from "Fantasma" and "Point"? Thanks in advance, Hugo Linares ----- Mensaje original ----- De: William W. Schonbein Para: Corbin Booth CC: zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com Enviado: Viernes 28 de Mayo de 2004 01:50 PM Asunto: Re: Sliiiightly off topic: Brazil (The song) I've always liked Jobim's laid-back 10-minute version off of 'Stone Flower' (1970). The whole album is great, IMO, although some people find it too much like lounge music. It contains the classic title track (you can hear another version of it on Santana's 'caravanserai', too), as well as 'Tereza My Love' and 'Children's Games'. Horn arrangements by Deodato, prior (i think) to his 'breakthrough' (and Grammy winning) funk rendition of 'Also sprach Zarathustra' from the movie Being There. And, interestingly enough, Deodato did the horn arrangements on some Bjork albums in the 1990's. Small world. -whit On Thu, 27 May 2004, Corbin Booth wrote: > Django's is the best. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gullasch Baronen" > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 10:43 AM > Subject: Sliiiightly off topic: Brazil (The song) > > > > Just listening to the recent Cornelius album and wondered: What's the best > > version of the tune "Brazil"? Any suggestions? > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > F? alle de nye og sjove ikoner med MSN Messenger > http://www.msn.dk/messenger > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > zorn-list mailing list > > zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com > > To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage > below > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > zorn-list mailing list > zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com > To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage below > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list > _______________________________________________ zorn-list mailing list zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage below http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list From modbohemian2 at hotmail.com Tue Jun 1 06:38:19 2004 From: modbohemian2 at hotmail.com (mod bohemian) Date: Tue Jun 1 06:38:26 2004 Subject: "Free" concerts and money Message-ID: I'm sure it's not the same everywhere, but generally when there is a free concert at a café, how do the musicians get paid? For instance, in Paris, in both "free" concerts that I attended, le chapeau (the hat) was passed around afterwards. I somehow assumed that any money collected would go directly to the musicians. However, a friend of mine said that the musicians were probably paid a flat fee by the establishment and any money collected by donations goes directly to that establishment (not the musicians) -- that's in case the place did not make enough money from drink and snacks to pay for the musicians. So, when donations are collected, generally who gets them -- the musicians or the owners of the venue at which they played? Jennifer _________________________________________________________________ Get 200+ ad-free, high-fidelity stations and LIVE Major League Baseball Gameday Audio! http://radio.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200491ave/direct/01/ From thepagoon at yahoo.com Tue Jun 1 11:57:45 2004 From: thepagoon at yahoo.com (Richard Kamerman) Date: Tue Jun 1 11:57:50 2004 Subject: Weegee Message-ID: <20040601175745.16437.qmail@web20313.mail.yahoo.com> After that recent discussion of the origin for the name Naked City, I figured people might be interested to know that an exhibit of Weegee's photography is open right now until July 23 at the Ubu Gallery in NYC. Just noticed it so I figured I should pass the word along. http://www.ubugallery.com/phpwcms/?current ===== ==== "Yesterday is history. Tomorrow is a mystery. And today? Today is a gift. That's why we call it the present." - Babatunde Olatunji - __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From zsteiner at butler.edu Tue Jun 1 12:41:10 2004 From: zsteiner at butler.edu (Zachary Steiner) Date: Tue Jun 1 12:57:23 2004 Subject: Weegee In-Reply-To: <20040601175745.16437.qmail@web20313.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003801c44808$02713b90$d100a8c0@lutherhq1.local> There was a similar exhibit at the Art Alliance in Philadelphia a few years ago. If you can get to it, go; it was amazing. Even my parents thought it was incredible (and they are not art buffs). There is certainly more to his photography than the gory crime scene photos. He was a master at capturing candid human emotion and using his photographs to comment on societal inequity. Zach -----Original Message----- From: zorn-list-bounces+zsteiner=butler.edu@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:zorn-list-bounces+zsteiner=butler.edu@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Richard Kamerman Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 12:58 PM To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com Subject: Weegee After that recent discussion of the origin for the name Naked City, I figured people might be interested to know that an exhibit of Weegee's photography is open right now until July 23 at the Ubu Gallery in NYC. Just noticed it so I figured I should pass the word along. http://www.ubugallery.com/phpwcms/?current From Phil.Oppenheim at turner.com Tue Jun 1 13:30:22 2004 From: Phil.Oppenheim at turner.com (Oppenheim, Phil) Date: Tue Jun 1 13:30:05 2004 Subject: Weegee Message-ID: <73DC6AC4F6C19B42846F61E3A7EE7BFC01196DE9@TWDEX03.turner.com> If you're into this stuff (and you *should* be, if you asked me), you might want to check out Joe Pesci as a Weegee-inspired photog in "The Public Eye" (1992)-- at least you can look at the trailer at http://videodetective.com/home.asp?x=y&SpeedTestResults=144000&PublishedID=3779&AltID=&CustomerID=97135&WM=True&Ads=True&Play=TRUE -----Original Message----- From: zorn-list-bounces+phil.oppenheim=turner.com@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:zorn-list-bounces+phil.oppenheim=turner.com@mailman.xmission.com ]On Behalf Of Zachary Steiner Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 2:41 PM To: 'Richard Kamerman'; zorn-list@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: Weegee There was a similar exhibit at the Art Alliance in Philadelphia a few years ago. If you can get to it, go; it was amazing. Even my parents thought it was incredible (and they are not art buffs). There is certainly more to his photography than the gory crime scene photos. He was a master at capturing candid human emotion and using his photographs to comment on societal inequity. Zach -----Original Message----- From: zorn-list-bounces+zsteiner=butler.edu@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:zorn-list-bounces+zsteiner=butler.edu@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Richard Kamerman Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 12:58 PM To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com Subject: Weegee After that recent discussion of the origin for the name Naked City, I figured people might be interested to know that an exhibit of Weegee's photography is open right now until July 23 at the Ubu Gallery in NYC. Just noticed it so I figured I should pass the word along. http://www.ubugallery.com/phpwcms/?current _______________________________________________ zorn-list mailing list zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage below http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/zorn-list/attachments/20040601/6de9321b/attachment.htm From river_of_dogs at yahoo.com Wed Jun 2 11:06:14 2004 From: river_of_dogs at yahoo.com (Theo Klaase) Date: Wed Jun 2 11:06:21 2004 Subject: electric masada Message-ID: <20040602170614.44284.qmail@web61003.mail.yahoo.com> I just got my copy of electric masada and I'm a little disappointed... The sound quality isn't all that great and I feel like I'm being sold the same compositions over and over these days... Considering the line-up, I'll be the 1st to admit that my expectations were pretty high... Is it me, or has Zorn gotten a bit 'stale' over the last few years... Perhaps I just need a few more listens... -Theo __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From pierrecharlestoussaint at yahoo.ca Wed Jun 2 11:19:13 2004 From: pierrecharlestoussaint at yahoo.ca (=?iso-8859-1?q?Pierre=20Toussaint?=) Date: Wed Jun 2 11:19:18 2004 Subject: electric masada Message-ID: <20040602171913.19424.qmail@web12701.mail.yahoo.com> It's true that the sound quality isn?t that good. At first listen I wasn't impressed by the sound and also the performance. But, listening to it a couple of times since, I've really got to enjoying it a lot. I find it extremely energetic, it reminds of early 70 Miles Davis, and its pure fun to listen at. But, it's true that Zorn is over using the Masada song book. But, hey, it's also the stuff I like the most from him. I still am curious when a Masada related cd is out. I'm not alone and I guess he knows it too. He probably capitalizes on this situation. It can give him the opportunity to release many Tzadik releases which may not be as popular. I'm only guessing on that one by the way. Pierre T. --------------------------------- L?che-vitrine ou l?che-?cran ? Yahoo! Magasinage. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/zorn-list/attachments/20040602/c4215e1b/attachment.html From efrendv at yahoo.es Wed Jun 2 11:58:25 2004 From: efrendv at yahoo.es (=?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?=) Date: Wed Jun 2 11:58:31 2004 Subject: electric masada In-Reply-To: <20040602171913.19424.qmail@web12701.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040602175825.13876.qmail@web41502.mail.yahoo.com> If he's exploiting the Masada project for revenues that will be invested in other Tzadik outings, that's cool with me, but what I'm really concerned about is that Zorn's production (of new material, that is) is way too slow these days for his standards. I'm really looking forward to his unreleased chamber-oriented stuff and also wondering what happened to that series of Naked City live albums. I thought that Electric Masada would be a fine release for die-hard fans only. I wasn't even expecting too much after listening to some bootlegs. It's obviously a spectacular meeting of musicians, but other than that, is the same repertoire with a slightly different approach, some elements of which I'm not attracted by at all. Ironically, the tracks I enjoy the most are the slow/mid-tempos, which sound very, very similar to the Bar Kokhba stuff. I think it's a very good album, objectively speaking, but if you've been listening to Zorn for years, you're quite likely to feel disappointed. I'd definitely recommend Locus Solus instead, it has a lot more to offer, imho. By the way, the Tzadik website has been updated and announces the Frith/Zorn duo for July and another volume of Great Jewish Music devoted to some Brazilian artist unknown to me. Let's cross our fingers for it to be better than the Marc Bolan and Sasha Argov releases! Best, Efr?n del Valle --- Pierre Toussaint escribi?: > > It's true that the sound quality isn?t that good. At > first listen I wasn't impressed by the sound and > also the performance. But, listening to it a couple > of times since, I've really got to enjoying it a > lot. I find it extremely energetic, it reminds of > early 70 Miles Davis, and its pure fun to listen at. > But, it's true that Zorn is over using the Masada > song book. But, hey, it's also the stuff I like the > most from him. I still am curious when a Masada > related cd is out. I'm not alone and I guess he > knows it too. He probably capitalizes on this > situation. It can give him the opportunity to > release many Tzadik releases which may not be as > popular. I'm only guessing on that one by the way. > > > Pierre T. > > > > --------------------------------- > L?che-vitrine ou l?che-?cran ? Yahoo! Magasinage. > > _______________________________________________ > zorn-list mailing list > zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com > To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, > go to the webpage below > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list > ______________________________________________________________________ Correo Yahoo! - 6MB, m?s protecci?n contra el spam ?Gratis! http://correo.yahoo.es From admars32 at ntlworld.com Wed Jun 2 12:27:13 2004 From: admars32 at ntlworld.com (Alan Marshall) Date: Wed Jun 2 12:27:27 2004 Subject: Fantomas London Astoria Sat 29th May Message-ID: <001801c448cf$3c308760$657ba8c0@spod> Hi, Kid 606 was 1st support, I was looking forward to him 'cos I liked what I had heard off the CDs. Live was good, but not great. The music is good (kind of mix between Atari Teenage Riot (in terms of speed) and Aphex Twin (in terms of changes and intricacy (for want of a better word). but live doesn't come across too well. I mean no disrespect to him, but it is hard to get excited watching some-one sat behind a couple of lap tops, that sounds harsh, but I've seen Orbital, and they have a powerful stage presence despite being surround by computers and equipment! So in short music was good, but as a live act, not so. Never heard of "Flat of Society" before, I think they are from Belgium, but they were by far one of the best support acts I've ever seen live, and I was pleasantly surprised by how much the crowd enjoyed their set. I think they were a 13 piece, jazz funk big band fusion type thing. Some singing, but mostly using voice as an instrument, if that makes sense :) Did remind me of Naked City Zorn (in fact some ppl at the gig assumed it was Zorn), in a good way, was original compositions as far as I know. I've seen Fantomas every London gig (3 or 4 times), and again, they were awesome. Opened with the entry from the new CD, then that went into Cape Fear, actually felt a shiver go down when that started! Lombardo had some new toys. some cymbals t hat were on their sides, so he could hit them one way, stop, then spin them the other way, something that looked like a spaghetti jar, and a few other bits n bobs. Sorry I don't play anything so I can't describe them better ;) Buzz played well, Patton was in conductor/workman mode, i.e. only talking to introduce the band. Sat night is GAY night their after bands finished, and Emma Bunton (Baby Spice) was playing their, so he introduced Lombardo as Old Spice, Buzz as fag Spice, can't remember what he named Trev, and himself Shit Spice, and pretended to smoke a spliff. Then went back to serious mode, makes a stark contrast from old FNM/Mr Bungle Patton! In fact Trev, seemed to be the only band member obviously enjoying himself throughout the gig! They played parts off the new album, blending into Pages from the 1st album, and soundtrack stuff. Did the usual Chariot Choogle and Simply Beautiful covers, not a bad thing , I love them. Def one of my fave bands live, a lot more depth to the music Al www.admars.co.uk From shkin at shkin.com Wed Jun 2 12:48:21 2004 From: shkin at shkin.com (Peter Gannushkin) Date: Wed Jun 2 12:48:26 2004 Subject: Tzadik new releases (was: electric masada) Message-ID: <749424217.20040602144821@shkin.com> Hi Efr?n, Talking about upcoming releases, Tzadik web site lists Mephista: Entomological Reflections both as new release for July and as recent release for May. Some other CDs like Bernsteins "Diaspora Hollywood", which supposed to be out this month, are not listed at all. But the most weird thing is that Koch web site doesn't list Tzadik anymore. Does it mean that Zorn is going to go with a different distributor or it's just an error? Wednesday, June 2, 2004, 1:58:25 PM, you wrote: EdV> By the way, the Tzadik website has been updated and EdV> announces the Frith/Zorn duo for July and another EdV> volume of Great Jewish Music devoted to some Brazilian EdV> artist unknown to me. -- All the best, Peter Gannushkin URL: http://downtownmusic.net/ From modbohemian2 at hotmail.com Wed Jun 2 13:07:06 2004 From: modbohemian2 at hotmail.com (mod bohemian) Date: Wed Jun 2 13:07:10 2004 Subject: electric masada Message-ID: >>>>But, it's true that Zorn is over using the Masada song book. I've been reading messages here for many months, but unfortunately, I'm still a bit unclear on exactly what "Masada song book" means. Is it a series of compositions that are interpretted differently for different CDs? Also, what exactly is "electric" Masada, and how does it differ from non-electric Masada? I have the CDs -- Bar Kokhba, The Circle Maker, and Masada String Trio -- but they don't say anything about Electric Masada on them, so I will infer that there is a difference. I'd really appreciate some insight from anyone. Jennifer _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From efrendv at yahoo.es Wed Jun 2 13:37:05 2004 From: efrendv at yahoo.es (=?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?=) Date: Wed Jun 2 13:37:09 2004 Subject: electric masada In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040602193705.83219.qmail@web41509.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, Hi there, > I've been reading messages here for many months, but > unfortunately, I'm > still a bit unclear on exactly what "Masada song > book" means. Zorn was writing Masada tunes (I don't know the exact number, but over two hundred) for a certain period of time. Is it a > series of compositions that are interpretted > differently for different CDs? In the beginning I thought they were composed specifically for the quartet, but as time goes by, it seems that they're adaptable for very different environments (solo guitar, piano/violin duo, string trio, etc). I guess that was in Zorn's mind from the very beginning, but you never know. > Also, what exactly is "electric" Masada, and how > does it differ from > non-electric Masada? Electric Masada uses electric instruments, including keyboards, electric guitar, electric bass, laptop, etc... although the Bar Kokhba sextet already included Ribot. So I guess it should be called More Electric Masada. Expect an Even More Electric Masada configuration anytime soon, including heavy metal guitars, electric drums and firework paraphernalia! I have the CDs -- Bar Kokhba, > The Circle Maker, and > Masada String Trio -- but they don't say anything > about Electric Masada on > them, so I will infer that there is a difference. The approach to EM seems quite different, more improv-oriented and with a certain 70's Miles-flavor. The Masada melodies almost seem an excuse to develop improvisational ideas. Best, Efr?n del Valle n.p: John Schuller "Lesser Angel of Failure" n.r: Reinhard Steiner "Egon Schiele" __________________________________________________ Correo Yahoo! - 6 MB, antivirus y antispam ?gratis! Reg?strate ya - http://correo.yahoo.es From zsteiner at butler.edu Wed Jun 2 14:42:31 2004 From: zsteiner at butler.edu (zsteiner@butler.edu) Date: Wed Jun 2 15:00:19 2004 Subject: electric masada Message-ID: <2f17ae2f061b.2f061b2f17ae@butler.edu> > The approach to EM seems quite different, more > improv-oriented and with a certain 70's Miles-flavor. > The Masada melodies almost seem an excuse to develop > improvisational ideas. Isn't that what most improv based music is about? At least ones that use a melodic or chordal reference for the improvisations. Isn't that what the quartet does? Didn't Miles use a riff or simple melody as an excuse to develop improvisational ideas in the 70s? Is this what you mean by your comparison? Or do you mean that they share instrumentation and aesthetics? I find the fidelity incredible. I don't know what more one could expect from a live recording. It's remarkably clear and has lots of detail to mix. Most of my friends who have it were scratching their heads when first listening saying "I thought this was live." It sounds like a studio album at times, at least our ears. It does break new ground, but it is a fun album. It's still Masada, but it is enough different (for me) that it was well worth the purchase. From efrendv at yahoo.es Thu Jun 3 02:01:21 2004 From: efrendv at yahoo.es (=?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?=) Date: Thu Jun 3 02:01:25 2004 Subject: electric masada In-Reply-To: <2f17ae2f061b.2f061b2f17ae@butler.edu> Message-ID: <20040603080121.24754.qmail@web41506.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, --- zsteiner@butler.edu escribi?: > > The approach to EM seems quite different, more > > improv-oriented and with a certain 70's > Miles-flavor. > > The Masada melodies almost seem an excuse to > develop > > improvisational ideas. > > Isn't that what most improv based music is about? I guess I must say yes if you're referring to idiomatic forms of improvisation, like jazz and derivates. The European free improv scene is quite away from those settings for instance, as is the AMM and most of Erstwhile-related musicians (if not all). At > least ones that use a melodic or chordal reference > for the improvisations. Isn't that what the quartet > does? Yes. I meant in comparison with Bar Kokhba, where everything is much more sheet-based. Didn't Miles use a riff or simple melody as an > excuse to develop improvisational ideas in the 70s? I never meant "excuse" in a negative sense. I'll better use "point of departure". > Is this what you mean by your comparison? Or do you > mean that they share instrumentation and aesthetics? Perhaps both things. The EM approach reminds me of Miles Black Beauty-era in terms of instrumentation and occasional aggressivity. > I find the fidelity incredible. I don't know what > more one could expect from a live recording. It's > remarkably clear and has lots of detail to mix. > Most of my friends who have it were scratching their > heads when first listening saying "I thought this > was live." It sounds like a studio album at times, > at least our ears. I can't complain about the sound quality either. > It does break new ground, but it is a fun album. > It's still Masada, but it is enough different (for > me) that it was well worth the purchase. I admit is sounds quite different from the rest of Masada incarnations. It's just a personal thing, probably boredom. Best, Efr?n del Valle n.p: L. Subramaniam "En Concert" __________________________________________________ Correo Yahoo! - 6 MB, antivirus y antispam ?gratis! Reg?strate ya - http://correo.yahoo.es From wwschonb at artsci.wustl.edu Thu Jun 3 08:51:24 2004 From: wwschonb at artsci.wustl.edu (William W. Schonbein) Date: Thu Jun 3 08:51:31 2004 Subject: electric masada In-Reply-To: <20040602170614.44284.qmail@web61003.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040602170614.44284.qmail@web61003.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 2 Jun 2004, Theo Klaase wrote: > The sound quality isn't all > that great ... Mori's 'stunt electronics' (to paraphrase Zappa) sound too loud to me. -whit > Considering the line-up, I'll be the 1st to admit that > my expectations were pretty high... > > Is it me, or has Zorn gotten a bit 'stale' over the > last few years... > > Perhaps I just need a few more listens... > > -Theo > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > zorn-list mailing list > zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com > To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage below > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list > From soulfrieda at hotmail.com Fri Jun 4 05:59:00 2004 From: soulfrieda at hotmail.com (Ben Axelrad) Date: Fri Jun 4 05:59:06 2004 Subject: Steve Lacy RIP Message-ID: Very sad news, forwarded from the Chi-Improv list. Anybody have more information? Ben >From: "Kali Z." >Reply-To: chi-improv@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: RE: [chi-improv] Re: Steve Lacy >Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 02:40:41 -0400 > >According to Bobby Few and Noah Howard, musicians based in Europe, Steve >Lacy passed over on Wednesday night, June 2. > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page – FREE download! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ From bodekkc at yahoo.com Fri Jun 4 11:10:39 2004 From: bodekkc at yahoo.com (Ken Bodek) Date: Fri Jun 4 11:10:44 2004 Subject: Mystery Masada Message-ID: <20040604171039.61707.qmail@web50907.mail.yahoo.com> John Zorn's Mystery Masada @ Tonic on Friday, June 18th. Anyone have any guesses who this will be? I think with Tisziji Munoz and Elliot Sharp trios on the bill too, this will be worth my trip down regardless. ===== Ken My DAT List: http://www.tapercities.com/Jambands/bodekkc/datlist.html My CDR List: http://www.tapercities.com/Jambands/bodekkc/cdrlist.html From ehareuveni at yahoo.com Fri Jun 4 11:17:01 2004 From: ehareuveni at yahoo.com (Eyal Hareuveni) Date: Fri Jun 4 11:17:06 2004 Subject: Mystery Masada In-Reply-To: <20040604171039.61707.qmail@web50907.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040604171701.67330.qmail@web60106.mail.yahoo.com> According to Downtown Music Gallery newsletter, Munoz and E# will celebrate DMG impresario Bruce Lee Gallanter 50th birthday celebration in Tonic, but let's hope that they will join Zorn mystery Masada. Peace, Eyal Ken Bodek wrote: John Zorn's Mystery Masada @ Tonic on Friday, June 18th. Anyone have any guesses who this will be? I think with Tisziji Munoz and Elliot Sharp trios on the bill too, this will be worth my trip down regardless. ===== Ken My DAT List: http://www.tapercities.com/Jambands/bodekkc/datlist.html My CDR List: http://www.tapercities.com/Jambands/bodekkc/cdrlist.html _______________________________________________ zorn-list mailing list zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage below http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm glad there are two more like this in the can. I guess I'll write a more "professional" (?!) review when I find the time. But those here who are the real professionals, please do it to convince these guys to get the Book! Best, Efr?n del Valle __________________________________________ Yahoo! lanza su nueva tecnolog?a de b?squedas ?te atreves a comparar? http://busquedas.yahoo.es From simoncalle at tutopia.com Fri Jun 4 12:59:44 2004 From: simoncalle at tutopia.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Sim=F3n_Calle?=) Date: Fri Jun 4 13:00:41 2004 Subject: epitonic Message-ID: Does any body knows a similar site to epitonic.com Simon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/zorn-list/attachments/20040604/759a98b1/attachment.htm From quint at nii.ac.jp Fri Jun 4 19:28:52 2004 From: quint at nii.ac.jp (Julien Quint) Date: Fri Jun 4 19:27:39 2004 Subject: epitonic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jun 5, 2004, at 3:59 AM, Sim?n Calle wrote: > Does any body knows a similar site to epitonic.com You could try insound.com, which is an online store but they also have a wide selection of mp3s in the same style as epitonic. Another good site is mp3it.com, which has a much narrower focus (mostly San Diego stuff) but goes much deeper (lots of full albums, live recordings, etc. while you're there, get the Powerdresser album, it is great!) Julien From mhepp at xs4all.nl Sat Jun 5 02:42:03 2004 From: mhepp at xs4all.nl (Maarten Hepp) Date: Sat Jun 5 02:33:15 2004 Subject: Fwd: NYTimes.com Article: Steve Lacy, 69, Who Popularized the Soprano Saxophone, Dies Message-ID: <38029C9A-B6CC-11D8-84FE-000A9579FADA@xs4all.nl> fyi Maarten Begin doorgestuurd bericht: > Van: mhepp@xs4all.nl > Datum: zat, 5 jun 2004 10:30:02 Europe/Amsterdam > Aan: mhepp@xs4all.nl > Onderwerp: NYTimes.com Article: Steve Lacy, 69, Who Popularized the > Soprano Saxophone, Dies > Antwoord aan: mhepp@xs4all.nl > > The article below from NYTimes.com > has been sent to you by mhepp@xs4all.nl. > > > > Steve Lacy, 69, Who Popularized the Soprano Saxophone, Dies > > June 5, 2004 > By BEN RATLIFF > > > > > > Steve Lacy, an American soprano saxophonist who spent more > than half of his 50-year career living in Europe and helped > legitimize his instrument in postwar jazz, died yesterday > in Boston. He was 69. > > The cause was cancer, according to an announcement from the > New England Conservatory of Music, where Mr. Lacy had been > teaching since 2002. > > After performing in New York, his hometown, Mr. Lacy moved > to Italy and France, and became the most Europeanized of > all expatriate American jazz musicians. He married one of > his musical collaborators, the Swiss-born singer Irene > Aebi, who survives him. He insisted on a literary dimension > to his work, incorporating texts by novelists, poets and > philosophers - as well as visual-art and dance components, > when time and money allowed. > > For someone long considered an avant-garde artist, Mr. Lacy > always insisted that nobody could get more avant-garde than > Louis Armstrong; his best work was anti-highfalutin and > doggedly practical. His most representative melodies, like > "The Bath" and "The Gleam," use gentle repetition and > gentle wit; he developed his saxophone tone to be as > attenuated as a Hemingway sentence, and his improvised > lines as succinct. At the end of his life, hounded by tax > problems in France, he returned to the United States, > moving in 2002 to teach at the New England Conservatory and > live in Brookline, Mass. > > Mr. Lacy formed musical partnerships and made records at an > astonishing rate. He led working bands of up to eight > musicians for nearly 30 years; he also performed and > recorded often as a solo saxophonist and in duos with > partners as different as the American pianist Mal Waldron > and the Japanese percussionist Masahiko Togashi. One of his > discographies lists 236 items up to the year 1997, > including more than 20 solo saxophone albums. > > Mr. Lacy was born Steven Lackritz and grew up on the Upper > West Side of New York City. Clarinet was his first > instrument; then, inspired by hearing Sidney Bechet's > version, recorded in 1941, of a Duke Ellington song, "The > Mooche," he decided to pursue Bechet's instrument, the > soprano saxophone. At the time - it would still be a few > years before John Coltrane would make it popular with his > recording of "My Favorite Things" - he had little > competition. > > At the age of 21, he was performing the standard Dixieland > repertory on both instruments at Stuyvesant Casino and the > Central Plaza in New York; he shared stages with musicians > like Henry Red Allen, Pee Wee Russell, Buck Clayton and Hot > Lips Page, and his teacher, Cecil Scott. And he was also > playing at the Newport Jazz Festival with the pianist Cecil > Taylor, who was terrifying audiences by doing away with > traditional structure and tonality. Mr. Lacy worked with > Mr. Taylor for six years and with other bandleaders as > well, including Gil Evans; he always described this mix as > the best possible training for a jazz musician. > > One of them was Thelonious Monk, who became a guiding > aesthetic master to Mr. Lacy for the rest of his life. > Through playing with Monk in a quintet and big band, and > studying his music assiduously, Mr. Lacy was able to absorb > the elder musician's wit, economy, insistence on simple > rhythmic patterns and range of melody. He once described > Monk's music as perfect for the soprano saxophone: "Not too > high, not too low, not easy, not at all overplayed and most > of all, full of interesting technical problems." > > In 1966, with no work at home, Mr. Lacy began his long trip > away from America. He took a group to Argentina and ended > up stranded there for nine months because of political > unrest. Later he headed to Rome with Ms. Aebi, where they > worked with Musica Elettronica Viva, a quartet that blended > modern-classical tendencies with improvisation and included > two other American expatriates, Frederic Rzewski and Alvin > Curran. After a brief stay in Rome, Mr. Lacy and Ms. Aebi > moved to Paris in 1970, in the beginning of the era that he > often called "post-free": all experimentation came grounded > in scale and melody. And with his long-lasting sextet, > which he started shortly after he arrived in Paris, he > found an original compositional style: lilting and > singsongy with a bitter twist, often compared to nursery > rhymes, though Thelonious Monk's sense of melody was > probably a greater influence. > > Mr. Lacy preferred to collaborate with artists from other > fields. Most of the time that meant setting words to music, > and in his group Ms. Aebi sang poetic texts by Herman > Melville, Robert Creeley, Gregory Corso and Lao Tzu, among > many others; in other works he collaborated with dancers, > painters and stage designers. "To me," he said in a 1990 > interview, "music is always about something or somebody, or > from somebody or something. It's never in the blue, never > abstract." > > Mr. Lacy was awarded a MacArthur Fellowship in 1992; he > published a book of writings and saxophone exercises, > "Findings," in 1994. The French government's ministry of > culture appointed him Chevalier of the Order of Arts and > Letters in 1989 and Commander in 2002. In addition to his > wife, his survivors include a sister, Blossom Cramer, and a > brother, Martin J. Lackritz. > > http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/05/arts/music/ > 05LACY.html?ex=1087424202&ei=1&en=f8f711c91ca08600 > > > --------------------------------- > > Get Home Delivery of The New York Times Newspaper. Imagine > reading The New York Times any time & anywhere you like! > Leisurely catch up on events & expand your horizons. Enjoy > now for 50% off Home Delivery! Click here: > > http://homedelivery.nytimes.com/HDS/ > SubscriptionT1.do?mode=SubscriptionT1&ExternalMediaCode=W24AF > > > > HOW TO ADVERTISE > --------------------------------- > For information on advertising in e-mail newsletters > or other creative advertising opportunities with The > New York Times on the Web, please contact > onlinesales@nytimes.com or visit our online media > kit at http://www.nytimes.com/adinfo > > For general information about NYTimes.com, write to > help@nytimes.com. > > Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company > From j4.porter at student.qut.edu.au Sat Jun 5 23:39:02 2004 From: j4.porter at student.qut.edu.au (j4.porter@student.qut.edu.au) Date: Sat Jun 5 23:39:11 2004 Subject: Zorn Discography Message-ID: <92bb56f5.4c0bf2c6.82be600@mail-msgstore01.qut.edu.au> Is there an up-to-date version of JZ's discography. Patrice Roussel has done an absolutely mind-blowing job, but it hasn't been updated for a while. John From wwschonb at artsci.wustl.edu Sun Jun 6 10:02:14 2004 From: wwschonb at artsci.wustl.edu (William W. Schonbein) Date: Sun Jun 6 10:02:18 2004 Subject: Fwd: NYTimes.com Article: Steve Lacy, 69, Who Popularized the Soprano Saxophone, Dies In-Reply-To: <38029C9A-B6CC-11D8-84FE-000A9579FADA@xs4all.nl> References: <38029C9A-B6CC-11D8-84FE-000A9579FADA@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: Does anyone here happen to know where the full "1990 interview" (from which the following quote was drawn) is published? > > "To me," he said in a 1990 > > interview, "music is always about something or somebody, or > > from somebody or something. It's never in the blue, never > > abstract." thanks, whit From pm.carey at utoronto.ca Mon Jun 7 03:06:56 2004 From: pm.carey at utoronto.ca (Patrick Carey) Date: Mon Jun 7 03:06:28 2004 Subject: Non-Zorn SALE: Muslimgauze "Mullah Said" & "Jaagherd Zarb" Message-ID: These two lovely gems are still available... ** All PRICES in US$ (or equiv. GBP, EURO etc.) ** ** AIR MAIL POSTAGE depends on DESTINATION ** Reasonable offers accepted. Sorry, no PayPal. $45 -- Muslimgauze - "Mullah Said" HOL CD (Staalplaat: MUSLIMLIM018) 1998 [Numbered limited edition of 1000 in subscription issue digipak (slightly worn, mostly on edges). 6 tracks. Out of print.] $40 -- Muslimgauze - "Jaagherd Zarb (Mort Aux Vaches)" HOL CD (Staalplaat) 1998 [Limited edition of 1000 in three panel, fold-out cover "VPRO: De Avonden" commission series. Slightly worn, and possibly missing metal fastener. Out of print.] -Patrick pm.carey@utoronto.ca From maurice at mac.com Mon Jun 7 05:31:58 2004 From: maurice at mac.com (Maurice Rickard) Date: Mon Jun 7 05:32:07 2004 Subject: Robert Quine, RIP Message-ID: This comes via the Marquee Moon (Television) list. No confirmation or obit that I can find yet. Bad news indeed. He was an astonishing musician. >Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 08:40:47 -0700 (PDT) > >All, > >From Michael Carlucci at Subterranean Records, some sad news: > >"I have bad news to report. My friend and guitarist >extraordinaire Robert Quine is dead. I'm not sure of the cause >but apparently he died about 5 days ago and they just found him >today." > >I'll post more when it becomes available. > >--Phil -- Maurice Rickard http://mauricerickard.com/ | http://onezeromusic.com/ From maurice at mac.com Mon Jun 7 06:28:47 2004 From: maurice at mac.com (Maurice Rickard) Date: Mon Jun 7 06:29:04 2004 Subject: Robert Quine, RIP (confirmed) Message-ID: This just in: http://www.richardhell.com/cgi-bin/forum/showmessage.asp?messageID=6379 Apparently it's true, and it was suicide. A real tragedy. -- Maurice Rickard http://mauricerickard.com/ | http://onezeromusic.com/ From efrendv at yahoo.es Mon Jun 7 06:38:58 2004 From: efrendv at yahoo.es (=?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?=) Date: Mon Jun 7 06:39:02 2004 Subject: Robert Quine, RIP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040607123858.45709.qmail@web41511.mail.yahoo.com> Unfortunately it's true! Check Quine's official website: http://home.earthlink.net/~stayclean/quine.html What a fucking year: Jones, Lacy, Quine,... Truly one of my favorite guitar players. Best, Efr?n del Valle n.p: Sonic Youth "Sonic Nurse" (Geffen) --- Maurice Rickard escribi?: > This comes via the Marquee Moon (Television) list. > No confirmation > or obit that I can find yet. Bad news indeed. He > was an astonishing > musician. > > >Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 08:40:47 -0700 (PDT) > > > >All, > > > >From Michael Carlucci at Subterranean Records, some > sad news: > > > >"I have bad news to report. My friend and guitarist > >extraordinaire Robert Quine is dead. I'm not sure > of the cause > >but apparently he died about 5 days ago and they > just found him > >today." > > > >I'll post more when it becomes available. > > > >--Phil > > -- > Maurice Rickard > http://mauricerickard.com/ | > http://onezeromusic.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > zorn-list mailing list > zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com > To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, > go to the webpage below > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list __________________________________________ Yahoo! lanza su nueva tecnolog?a de b?squedas ?te atreves a comparar? http://busquedas.yahoo.es From efrendv at yahoo.es Mon Jun 7 07:28:39 2004 From: efrendv at yahoo.es (=?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?=) Date: Mon Jun 7 07:28:47 2004 Subject: RD Burman DVD Message-ID: <20040607132839.57159.qmail@web41510.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, This morning I found a couple of RD Burman's dvds, "Best of R.D Burman" somewhere on the net. Has anybody seen them? Are they recommendable? And more important, what are they exactly? I haven't found any descriptions. Thanks in advance. Best, Efr?n del Valle n.p: Sonic Youth "Sonic Nurse". zzzzzzzzzzzzzz!! __________________________________________ Yahoo! lanza su nueva tecnolog?a de b?squedas ?te atreves a comparar? http://busquedas.yahoo.es From efrendv at yahoo.es Mon Jun 7 07:33:10 2004 From: efrendv at yahoo.es (=?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?=) Date: Mon Jun 7 07:33:13 2004 Subject: Fwd: RD Burman DVD (Correction) Message-ID: <20040607133310.1958.qmail@web41509.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, The Dvds are actually "Hits of RD Burman Vol. 1&2" at nehaflix.com. thanks. Efr?n del Valle --- Efr?n del Valle escribi?: > Fecha: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 15:28:39 +0200 (CEST) > De: Efr?n del Valle > Asunto: RD Burman DVD > Para: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > > Hi, > > This morning I found a couple of RD Burman's dvds, > "Best of R.D Burman" somewhere on the net. Has > anybody > seen them? Are they recommendable? And more > important, > what are they exactly? I haven't found any > descriptions. > > Thanks in advance. > > Best, > > Efr?n del Valle > n.p: Sonic Youth "Sonic Nurse". zzzzzzzzzzzzzz!! > > > > > > __________________________________________ > Yahoo! lanza su nueva tecnolog?a de b?squedas > ?te atreves a comparar? > http://busquedas.yahoo.es > ______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! lanza su nueva tecnolog?a de b?squedas ?te atreves a comparar? http://busquedas.yahoo.es From papagian at nat.vu.nl Mon Jun 7 08:07:33 2004 From: papagian at nat.vu.nl (Manolis) Date: Mon Jun 7 08:07:43 2004 Subject: SY Message-ID: <40C476A5.70303@nat.vu.nl> <<<<< Efr?n del Valle n.p: Sonic Youth "Sonic Nurse". zzzzzzzzzzzzzz!! >>>>> OK. something more about it? manolis From efrendv at yahoo.es Mon Jun 7 08:40:59 2004 From: efrendv at yahoo.es (=?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?=) Date: Mon Jun 7 08:41:04 2004 Subject: SY In-Reply-To: <40C476A5.70303@nat.vu.nl> Message-ID: <20040607144059.84765.qmail@web41508.mail.yahoo.com> This is my first listen and I played it at the office, so my impressions aren't still built up. They're one of my favorite bands ever but I'm a bit disappointed so far. The O'Rourke production is really clean but I liked it better on "NYC Ghosts & Flowers". The sound is very cohesive, tight, but it's grounded in rock music in some strange way, different from that on "Murray Street", just to name a preceeding straightforward SY work. I'll have to wait for more listenings to see if this sinks in, but I'm concerned that the melodies won't appeal me that much. God, too many "buts"... Best, Efr?n del Valle --- Manolis escribi?: > <<<<< > Efr?n del Valle > n.p: Sonic Youth "Sonic Nurse". zzzzzzzzzzzzzz!! > >>>>> > > > OK. something more about it? > > manolis > > > _______________________________________________ > zorn-list mailing list > zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com > To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, > go to the webpage below > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list __________________________________________ Yahoo! lanza su nueva tecnolog?a de b?squedas ?te atreves a comparar? http://busquedas.yahoo.es From quint at nii.ac.jp Mon Jun 7 08:55:44 2004 From: quint at nii.ac.jp (Julien Quint) Date: Mon Jun 7 08:54:30 2004 Subject: SY In-Reply-To: <20040607144059.84765.qmail@web41508.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040607144059.84765.qmail@web41508.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Jun 7, 2004, at 11:40 PM, Efr?n del Valle wrote: > This is my first listen and I played it at the office, > so my impressions aren't still built up. They're one > of my favorite bands ever but I'm a bit disappointed > so far. The O'Rourke production is really clean but I > liked it better on "NYC Ghosts & Flowers". The sound > is very cohesive, tight, but it's grounded in rock > music in some strange way, different from that on > "Murray Street", just to name a preceeding > straightforward SY work. I'll have to wait for more > listenings to see if this sinks in, but I'm concerned > that the melodies won't appeal me that much. God, too > many "buts"... Give it more time. It is quite a laid-back album, and not as good as "Murray Street" (there are a few floating moments); the sequencing is a little strange, and the first few tracks don't flow very well. But (a good "but") there are many good songs, and on the whole it is very enjoyable. It could have used a little editing as some songs drag on a little; at one hour, it is a little too long. I like it very much though, and go back to it with great pleasure. Julien From zsteiner at butler.edu Mon Jun 7 09:24:56 2004 From: zsteiner at butler.edu (zsteiner@butler.edu) Date: Mon Jun 7 09:42:59 2004 Subject: SY Message-ID: <434e504353d4.4353d4434e50@butler.edu> I've been listening for a few months, and it has a some staying power. I keep coming back to it, after it got a chance to prove itself and grow on me. It's just a good solid album with a few so-so tracks. It's not as good as Murray Street, but that doesn't mean it is bad. It's amazing how clean it is at first (cleaner than MS), but the clarity reveals many layers of well arranged, intricate guitar work--in singable, rock songs no less. The songs are as catchy as anything SY has done, but they aren't annoying or lesser songs. They concentrated on melodies (in addition to the arrangements) on this one, and they are wonderful (particularly on Renaldo's songs). All in all, Sonic Nurse is enjoyable, if not mind blowing. If a band can put out albums that are intersting and enjoyable after 20+ years in existence, can you really ask too much more? Zach ----- Original Message ----- From: Manolis Date: Monday, June 7, 2004 9:07 am Subject: SY > <<<<< > Efr?n del Valle > n.p: Sonic Youth "Sonic Nurse". zzzzzzzzzzzzzz!! > >>>>> > > > OK. something more about it? > > manolis From proussel at ichips.intel.com Mon Jun 7 10:24:58 2004 From: proussel at ichips.intel.com (Patrice L. Roussel) Date: Mon Jun 7 10:25:10 2004 Subject: Zorn Discography Message-ID: <200406071624.i57GOwRr008101@plxc3714.pdx.intel.com> On Sun, 6 Jun 2004 15:39:02 +1000 j4.porter@student.qut.edu.au wrote: > > Is there an up-to-date version of JZ's discography. Patrice > Roussel has done an absolutely mind-blowing job, but it > hasn't been updated for a while. Maybe you are looking at the old one on the now dead WNUR wed site. The latest is not available on: www.nyds-exp-discogs.tk and it was updated quite recently. Patrice. From igorr123 at hotmail.com Mon Jun 7 11:33:31 2004 From: igorr123 at hotmail.com (igorr 123) Date: Mon Jun 7 11:33:37 2004 Subject: Robert Quine Message-ID: Hi all, I don't know much of the music of Robert Quine, but what I heard in colaboration with John Zorn is just brilliant. The guitar solo on "Erotico" is one of the most beautiful things I've ever heard. Too bad, such tragedy! _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail en Messenger on the move http://www.msn.nl/communicatie/smsdiensten/hotmailsmsv2/ From ricardoviseu at hotmail.com Mon Jun 7 11:51:27 2004 From: ricardoviseu at hotmail.com (Ricardo Jorge) Date: Mon Jun 7 11:51:35 2004 Subject: ornette coleman dvds Message-ID: are there any releases of ornete on dvd? I just know "skyes of america" was released in vhs only _________________________________________________________________ MSN Hotmail, o maior webmail do Brasil. http://www.hotmail.com From efrendv at yahoo.es Mon Jun 7 12:30:19 2004 From: efrendv at yahoo.es (=?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?=) Date: Mon Jun 7 12:30:25 2004 Subject: Robert Quine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040607183019.22603.qmail@web41509.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, If I'm not wrong, that was a Frisell solo! But there are many other enjoyable Quine spots in Zorn's discography, basically on his Filmworks series. Best, Efr?n del Valle n.p: Neung Phak (Mono Pause) (Abduction) --- igorr 123 escribi?: > Hi all, > I don't know much of the music of Robert Quine, > but what I heard in > colaboration with John Zorn is just brilliant. The > guitar solo on "Erotico" > is one of the most beautiful things I've ever heard. > Too bad, such tragedy! > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail en Messenger on the move > http://www.msn.nl/communicatie/smsdiensten/hotmailsmsv2/ > > > _______________________________________________ > zorn-list mailing list > zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com > To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, > go to the webpage below > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list ______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! lanza su nueva tecnolog?a de b?squedas ?te atreves a comparar? http://busquedas.yahoo.es From genemayes at cox.net Mon Jun 7 13:25:31 2004 From: genemayes at cox.net (Eugene M.) Date: Mon Jun 7 13:24:54 2004 Subject: Quine Message-ID: <002501c44cc5$32db07e0$03000000@cyberiad> Man, I'm terribly bummed. Robert Quine was my favorite guitarist. Consistently good and one of the greatest sidemen ever. "Blank Generation" and "the Blue Mask" are two of my favorite albums. Guess now I'll finally get around to picking up Painted Desert. Damn. A shock, for sure. I was hoping he'd be able to still work after his wife's death--- according to a couple people it was a suicide. We've lost a great musician. - Gene From genemayes at cox.net Mon Jun 7 13:30:49 2004 From: genemayes at cox.net (Eugene M.) Date: Mon Jun 7 13:30:13 2004 Subject: Arto Lindsay recommendations Message-ID: <003f01c44cc5$f0aaa500$03000000@cyberiad> Being only familiar with Arto's noise stuff, I'd like to get some recommendations on a good CD to pick up that represents his odd bossa nova-ish side. Anybody want to help out here? - Gene Mayes From TagYrIt at aol.com Mon Jun 7 13:47:20 2004 From: TagYrIt at aol.com (TagYrIt@aol.com) Date: Mon Jun 7 13:47:31 2004 Subject: Robert Quine Message-ID: <86.dce3648.2df62048@aol.com> In a message dated 6/7/2004 3:11:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, efrendv@yahoo.es writes: Hi, If I'm not wrong, that was a Frisell solo! But there are many other enjoyable Quine spots in Zorn's discography, basically on his Filmworks series. True, but DO NOT overlook the material he did with Lloyd Cole! Dale. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/zorn-list/attachments/20040607/5d47e9de/attachment.htm From seawes at allmusic.com Mon Jun 7 13:50:05 2004 From: seawes at allmusic.com (Sean Westergaard) Date: Mon Jun 7 13:50:29 2004 Subject: FW:Billboard Quine obituary Message-ID: http://www.billboard.com/bb/daily/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=100052 6473 Guitarist Robert Quine Found Dead Guitarist Robert Quine, one of punk rock's most daring soloists, was found dead Saturday (June 5) in his New York apartment. He was 61. According to close friend and guitar maker Rick Kelly, who discovered Quine's body, the musician died of a heroin overdose Memorial Day weekend. He had been despondent over the recent death of his wife. Born in Akron, Ohio, Quine was heavily influenced by the Velvet Underground, whose music he recorded obsessively while living in San Francisco. He moved to New York in 1971 and became the lead guitarist for bassist Richard Hell's important group the Voidoids, with whom he recorded two albums. His skittering, unpredictable work with Hell defined the possibilities of punk guitar. During the '80s, he recorded and toured frequently with Lou Reed and played on saxophonist/composer John Zorn's best-known albums. Quine made key guest appearances on Tom Waits' "Rain Dogs" (1985) and Marianne Faithfull's "Strange Weather" (1987). In 1989, he began a long association with Matthew Sweet; he also worked regularly with Lloyd Cole. In 2001, Universal released a three-CD box of Quine's live 1969 recordings of the Velvet Underground, "The Bootleg Series Volume 1: The Quine Tapes." "He was a marvelous guitarist, a soulful music lover with high standards and had an eviscerating wit," Patti Smith Band drummer Jay Dee Daugherty tells Billboard.com. "He did not suffer fools gladly, but made up for it with a thinly disguised generosity of spirit." -- Chris Morris, L.A.; Jonathan Cohen, N.Y. From a_gadney at hotmail.com Mon Jun 7 14:19:51 2004 From: a_gadney at hotmail.com (Arthur Gadney) Date: Mon Jun 7 14:21:38 2004 Subject: TOYCHESTRA & FRED FRITH Message-ID: Any comments on the Toychestra & Fred Frith CD "What Leave Behind"? Looks interesting. _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From perfectlist at furious.com Mon Jun 7 15:43:00 2004 From: perfectlist at furious.com (Perfect Sound Forever) Date: Mon Jun 7 16:01:15 2004 Subject: RIP Robert Quine Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040606204124.02571ec0@pop.purehost.com> Hi all, Sad news to share. Jim Marshall just told me that guitarist extraordinaire Robert Quine took his own life earlier this week. Jason Perfect Sound Forever online music magazine http://www.perfectsoundforever.com From andrewm at mail.selc.com.au Mon Jun 7 17:24:49 2004 From: andrewm at mail.selc.com.au (Andrew Mortensen) Date: Mon Jun 7 17:20:48 2004 Subject: Robert Quine, RIP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000b01c44ce6$a1203c90$dc01a8c0@AndrewMort> looks like it... :( http://home.earthlink.net/~stayclean/passing.html Andrew n.p: SPOD - Taste The Radness -----Original Message----- From: zorn-list-bounces+andrewm=mail.selc.com.au@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:zorn-list-bounces+andrewm=mail.selc.com.au@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Maurice Rickard Sent: Monday, 7 June 2004 9:32 PM To: zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Robert Quine, RIP This comes via the Marquee Moon (Television) list. No confirmation or obit that I can find yet. Bad news indeed. He was an astonishing musician. >Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 08:40:47 -0700 (PDT) > >All, > >From Michael Carlucci at Subterranean Records, some sad news: > >"I have bad news to report. My friend and guitarist >extraordinaire Robert Quine is dead. I'm not sure of the cause >but apparently he died about 5 days ago and they just found him >today." > >I'll post more when it becomes available. > >--Phil -- Maurice Rickard http://mauricerickard.com/ | http://onezeromusic.com/ _______________________________________________ zorn-list mailing list zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage below http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list From andrewm at mail.selc.com.au Mon Jun 7 17:29:21 2004 From: andrewm at mail.selc.com.au (Andrew Mortensen) Date: Mon Jun 7 17:24:57 2004 Subject: Robert Quine, RIP (confirmed) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000e01c44ce7$4349c180$dc01a8c0@AndrewMort> Do you think Tzadik will put out a tribute/best of or something, seeing he & Zorn worked together for a long time!? Andrew n.p: SPOD - Taste The Radness -----Original Message----- From: zorn-list-bounces+andrewm=mail.selc.com.au@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:zorn-list-bounces+andrewm=mail.selc.com.au@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Maurice Rickard Sent: Monday, 7 June 2004 10:29 PM To: zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: Robert Quine, RIP (confirmed) This just in: http://www.richardhell.com/cgi-bin/forum/showmessage.asp?messageID=6379 Apparently it's true, and it was suicide. A real tragedy. -- Maurice Rickard http://mauricerickard.com/ | http://onezeromusic.com/ _______________________________________________ zorn-list mailing list zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage below http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list From andrewm at mail.selc.com.au Mon Jun 7 17:34:16 2004 From: andrewm at mail.selc.com.au (Andrew Mortensen) Date: Mon Jun 7 17:29:53 2004 Subject: Robert Quine In-Reply-To: <86.dce3648.2df62048@aol.com> Message-ID: <001001c44ce7$f3513b80$dc01a8c0@AndrewMort> also, the lucky guy got to play along-side Albert Collins my fav blues guitarist on "Two Lane Highway" !! Andrew -----Original Message----- From: zorn-list-bounces+andrewm=mail.selc.com.au@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:zorn-list-bounces+andrewm=mail.selc.com.au@mailman.xmission.com]On Behalf Of TagYrIt@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, 8 June 2004 5:47 AM To: zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: Robert Quine In a message dated 6/7/2004 3:11:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, efrendv@yahoo.es writes: Hi, If I'm not wrong, that was a Frisell solo! But there are many other enjoyable Quine spots in Zorn's discography, basically on his Filmworks series. True, but DO NOT overlook the material he did with Lloyd Cole! Dale. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/zorn-list/attachments/20040608/dd4308b5/attachment.htm From andrewm at mail.selc.com.au Mon Jun 7 17:40:35 2004 From: andrewm at mail.selc.com.au (Andrew Mortensen) Date: Mon Jun 7 17:36:10 2004 Subject: DVD audio extraction Message-ID: <001701c44ce8$d50f7460$dc01a8c0@AndrewMort> hello is there a way to extract only the audio from a DVD? like say I have a RATM live DVD & it would be great to listen to on CD. can it be done, or will I just have to record the audio as I play it (that's what I'll end up doing probably). thanks Andrew From ricardoviseu at hotmail.com Mon Jun 7 18:17:08 2004 From: ricardoviseu at hotmail.com (Ricardo Jorge) Date: Mon Jun 7 18:17:12 2004 Subject: Arto Lindsay recommendations Message-ID: solo stuff: "prize" or "mundo civilizado" are my favourites bands: "envy" & "greed" with ambitious lovers everything by DNA everything with Locus Solus the album with Arto Lindsay Trio the album with einer goebbels the 1st Golden Palominos album the stuff with david moss colaborations: with Caetano veloso with arnaldo antunes (on the album "nome") with sakamoto on "esperanto" with peter sherer on "pretty ugle" with mars members on the Don King album on atavistic records only to name a few... >Being only familiar with Arto's noise stuff, I'd like to get some >recommendations on a >good CD to pick up that represents his odd bossa nova-ish side. Anybody >want to help out >here? >- Gene Mayes > > > > >_______________________________________________ >zorn-list mailing list >zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com >To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage below >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list _________________________________________________________________ MSN Hotmail, o maior webmail do Brasil. http://www.hotmail.com From hlinares at utenet.com.ar Tue Jun 8 07:42:17 2004 From: hlinares at utenet.com.ar (Hugo Linares) Date: Mon Jun 7 19:47:31 2004 Subject: Arto Lindsay recommendations References: <003f01c44cc5$f0aaa500$03000000@cyberiad> Message-ID: <002401c44d5e$6ace8340$a49145c8@pc> IMHO "Prize" (Righteous Babe Records - 1999) is a must have CD! Be careful with "Mondo Civilizado" (Bar/None Records - 1997) though it is in that "bossa-nova-ish" style. Hope this helps. Later, Hugo Linares NP: Holly Cole _Shade_ (Alert/Universal). ----- Mensaje original ----- De: Eugene M. Para: Zorn List Enviado: Lunes 7 de Junio de 2004 04:30 PM Asunto: Arto Lindsay recommendations Being only familiar with Arto's noise stuff, I'd like to get some recommendations on a good CD to pick up that represents his odd bossa nova-ish side. Anybody want to help out here? - Gene Mayes _______________________________________________ zorn-list mailing list zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage below http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list From genemayes at cox.net Mon Jun 7 20:13:32 2004 From: genemayes at cox.net (Eugene M.) Date: Mon Jun 7 20:12:57 2004 Subject: Thanks for the Arto recs Message-ID: <000d01c44cfe$32dd8900$03000000@cyberiad> I can always rely on you guys for recommendations and information. This list is great. Thanks all, - Gene Mayes From wwschonb at artsci.wustl.edu Mon Jun 7 23:00:02 2004 From: wwschonb at artsci.wustl.edu (William W. Schonbein) Date: Mon Jun 7 23:00:21 2004 Subject: DVD audio extraction In-Reply-To: <001701c44ce8$d50f7460$dc01a8c0@AndrewMort> References: <001701c44ce8$d50f7460$dc01a8c0@AndrewMort> Message-ID: Hi Andrew etc. First, I'm playing catch up with email, so the following info might be redundant. Second, I'm not sure it is possible to extract just the audio. As far as I can tell, audio + video is stored in a single file (a .vob file) on the DVD. So what you need to do is extract the vob files, then use another program to extract the audio from the .vob files, then use some audio program (e.g., audacity) to get the resulting .wav files into shape for burning to cdr. the site www.afterdawn.com has a lot of info on extracting info from dvds. If I recall correctly, the online tutorial on making a SVCD includes as a step in the process generating a .wav file of the audio for the dvd. good luck, whit On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Andrew Mortensen wrote: > hello > > is there a way to extract only the audio from a DVD? > like say I have a RATM live DVD & it would be great to listen to on CD. can > it be done, or will I just have to record the audio as I play it (that's > what I'll end up doing probably). > > thanks > Andrew > > > _______________________________________________ > zorn-list mailing list > zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com > To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage below > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list > From wwschonb at artsci.wustl.edu Mon Jun 7 23:04:18 2004 From: wwschonb at artsci.wustl.edu (William W. Schonbein) Date: Mon Jun 7 23:04:24 2004 Subject: Robert Quine In-Reply-To: <001001c44ce7$f3513b80$dc01a8c0@AndrewMort> References: <001001c44ce7$f3513b80$dc01a8c0@AndrewMort> Message-ID: Is Two Lane Highway in print these days? I just saw the original Spillane CD release used for US$8.50 the other day, and (thinking to myself how great Two Lane Highway is) wondered if it was even available these days. I ask because i seem to recall that Spillane was re-released on Tzadik with Godard, while Two Lane HIghway and the Kronos Quartet piece were dropped, unfortunately. -whit On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Andrew Mortensen wrote: > also, the lucky guy got to play along-side Albert Collins my fav blues > guitarist on "Two Lane Highway" !! > > Andrew > -----Original Message----- > From: zorn-list-bounces+andrewm=mail.selc.com.au@mailman.xmission.com > [mailto:zorn-list-bounces+andrewm=mail.selc.com.au@mailman.xmission.com]On > Behalf Of TagYrIt@aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, 8 June 2004 5:47 AM > To: zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com > Subject: Re: Robert Quine > > > In a message dated 6/7/2004 3:11:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, > efrendv@yahoo.es writes: > Hi, > > If I'm not wrong, that was a Frisell solo! But there > are many other enjoyable Quine spots in Zorn's > discography, basically on his Filmworks series. > True, but DO NOT overlook the material he did with Lloyd Cole! > > Dale. > From efrendv at yahoo.es Tue Jun 8 02:00:03 2004 From: efrendv at yahoo.es (=?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?=) Date: Tue Jun 8 02:00:10 2004 Subject: Robert Quine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040608080003.46040.qmail@web41511.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, --- "William W. Schonbein" escribi?: > > > Is Two Lane Highway in print these days? I think it's not, although you can find copies in places like Fnac in Europe, but generally at high prices. I've also seen copies of the old "Big Gundown" release. > I ask because i seem to recall that Spillane was > re-released on Tzadik > with Godard, while Two Lane HIghway and the Kronos > Quartet piece were > dropped, unfortunately. Yes, they gathered "Godard" and "Spillane", removed "Two Lane Highway" and "Forbidden Fruit" and included the short piece "Blues N?el". Although the two absent compositions are great, I think this compilation makes a lot of sense thematically speaking and it portrays the file-card period very well. Best, Efr?n del Valle n.p: Sun City Girls "The Handsome Stranger" (Abduction) ______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! lanza su nueva tecnolog?a de b?squedas ?te atreves a comparar? http://busquedas.yahoo.es From efrendv at yahoo.es Tue Jun 8 02:07:22 2004 From: efrendv at yahoo.es (=?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?=) Date: Tue Jun 8 02:07:25 2004 Subject: Arto Lindsay recommendations In-Reply-To: <003f01c44cc5$f0aaa500$03000000@cyberiad> Message-ID: <20040608080722.86764.qmail@web41509.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I only enjoy his albums up to "Noon Chill", to be honest. "O Corpo Sutil" is a fine album, very quiet, with some stellar collaborations (Ribot, Baron, Frisell, etc) and "Noon Chill" is good as well, with more electronics that give it a certain distressing atmosphere. Best, Efr?n del Valle --- "Eugene M." escribi?: > Being only familiar with Arto's noise stuff, I'd > like to get some recommendations on a > good CD to pick up that represents his odd bossa > nova-ish side. Anybody want to help out > here? > - Gene Mayes > > > > > _______________________________________________ > zorn-list mailing list > zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com > To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, > go to the webpage below > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list ______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! lanza su nueva tecnolog?a de b?squedas ?te atreves a comparar? http://busquedas.yahoo.es From papagian at nat.vu.nl Tue Jun 8 02:10:17 2004 From: papagian at nat.vu.nl (Manolis) Date: Tue Jun 8 02:10:34 2004 Subject: tokyo recommendations Message-ID: <40C57469.3030102@nat.vu.nl> hi I will be spending a few days in Tokyo and Niigata between July 22nd and August 4th, and am now trying to get the trip organized. I would really appreciate any suggestions and recommendations from people who live there or know some "insider" hints. Where can I find an agenda of what's playing around those dates? thanks manolis From smokey at maui.net Tue Jun 8 02:21:08 2004 From: smokey at maui.net (Dan Frank Kuehn) Date: Tue Jun 8 02:26:37 2004 Subject: Arto Lindsay recommendations, etc. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: A wonderfully jarring 2 sets of live Arto Lindsay Trio material(over an hour and a half of music!) are currently available on the Dutch radio web site "Is Dit Nog Wel Jazz?" It's a HUGE trio with Melvin Gibbs and Micah Gaugh. I can't recommend it enough - Most of the material seems to be from the last two or three records. Bosa nova with feedback, beatbox, synthisizer, and all kinds of sonic surprises. http://www.vpro.nl/programma/isditnogweljazz/afleveringen/17106387/ http://www.vpro.nl/programma/isditnogweljazz/afleveringen/17106198/ And, hey everybody, don't miss this live performance of about 45 minutes of "Napolli's Walls" by Louis Sclavis' quartet on the BBC Radio 3's "Jazz on 3" show. If you haven't heard this guy yet, hold onto your hat! Bass clarinet gone amok! This one is only available until Friday... http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/jazz/jon3/jon3.shtml?focuswin Finally, have any of you New York folks heard the New York New Music Ensemble? They just played here on Maui Saturday night; some really exciting pieces - Arthur Kreiger, Shostakovich, and Jacob Druckman, among others - a jolt of lightning in an otherwise dull tourist-friendly easy listening music scene. It was the last show of a world tour, apparently. Hana hou! (Encore!) Sated, Nad NP: Prince's "N.E.W.S." - yes!!! Every time I get weary of the little devil, he's throws something like this out, and I'm hooked again. Nad Nheuk web guy for Soft Stool http://www.softstool.com 25 years of Stooling in obscurity ...lucky the tape was rolling... From quint at nii.ac.jp Tue Jun 8 02:59:20 2004 From: quint at nii.ac.jp (Julien Quint) Date: Tue Jun 8 02:58:06 2004 Subject: tokyo recommendations In-Reply-To: <40C57469.3030102@nat.vu.nl> References: <40C57469.3030102@nat.vu.nl> Message-ID: <2167022E-B92A-11D8-AAF8-000A956ABB8E@nii.ac.jp> On Jun 8, 2004, at 5:10 PM, Manolis wrote: > hi > I will be spending a few days in Tokyo and Niigata between July 22nd > and August 4th, and am now trying to get the trip organized. I would > really appreciate any suggestions and recommendations from people who > live there or know some "insider" hints. Where can I find an agenda of > what's playing around those dates? Ha! That's a good one :) Tokyo is very frustrating because there is a ton of stuff going on but if you're not in the loop it is very difficult to find out about. Or else I am missing something. Here's about all that I know: First, stop at http://www.japanimprov.com/ (Improvised Music from Japan) and visit the pages for the artists that interest you; they usually have a quite up-to-date list of upcoming date for every artists, even though there is not one big page. They also have the program for Off Site, as featured in the Wire; unfortunately it is only in Japanese. Anyway, you can try to have a look at http://japanimprov.com/offsite/offsitej/index.html Then, you can try this list of upcoming shows; it's not very Zorn-y but you might find something interesting (in English too): http://www.geocities.com/mrcraige/ They have a big list of venues: http://www.geocities.com/mrcraige/venues.html You can check their program, but most of them are in Japanese so you may find it difficult. Recommended places would be: Cay (Aoyama), Enban (Koenji), Penguin House (Koenji), Super Deluxe (Roppongi), Star Pine's Caf? (Kichijoji), Uplink Factory (Shibuya). Hope this helps, Julien From TagYrIt at aol.com Tue Jun 8 05:05:57 2004 From: TagYrIt at aol.com (TagYrIt@aol.com) Date: Tue Jun 8 05:06:03 2004 Subject: Goddard/Spillane Message-ID: <1cc.22e5983d.2df6f795@aol.com> Was Goddard on any release prior to this one? Dale. In a message dated 6/8/2004 4:18:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, efrendv@yahoo.es writes: > Is Two Lane Highway in print these days? I think it's not, although you can find copies in places like Fnac in Europe, but generally at high prices. I've also seen copies of the old "Big Gundown" release. > I ask because i seem to recall that Spillane was > re-released on Tzadik > with Godard, while Two Lane HIghway and the Kronos > Quartet piece were > dropped, unfortunately. Yes, they gathered "Godard" and "Spillane", removed "Two Lane Highway" and "Forbidden Fruit" and included the short piece "Blues N?el". Although the two absent compositions are great, I think this compilation makes a lot of sense thematically speaking and it portrays the file-card period very well. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/zorn-list/attachments/20040608/221f9df5/attachment.htm From efrendv at yahoo.es Tue Jun 8 06:16:54 2004 From: efrendv at yahoo.es (=?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?=) Date: Tue Jun 8 06:16:58 2004 Subject: Goddard/Spillane In-Reply-To: <1cc.22e5983d.2df6f795@aol.com> Message-ID: <20040608121654.96163.qmail@web41503.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, --- TagYrIt@aol.com escribi?: > Was Goddard on any release prior to this one? Yes, Godard appeared on a compilation on the French label Nato, I think, called "Godard, ?a vous chant??", which is oop. Best, Efr?n del Valle n.p: SCG "Bright Surroundings, Dark Beginnings" (Majora) ______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! lanza su nueva tecnolog?a de b?squedas ?te atreves a comparar? http://busquedas.yahoo.es From tuur at cs.tu-berlin.de Tue Jun 8 06:38:02 2004 From: tuur at cs.tu-berlin.de (Arthur Rother) Date: Tue Jun 8 06:38:19 2004 Subject: Goddard/Spillane In-Reply-To: <1cc.22e5983d.2df6f795@aol.com> References: <1cc.22e5983d.2df6f795@aol.com> Message-ID: Have to check home, but I think there was a disk released by the french (?) label Nato, a compilation tribute album to Goddard, including this track, tracks by Arto Lindsay and others. Arthur From wwschonb at artsci.wustl.edu Tue Jun 8 12:21:02 2004 From: wwschonb at artsci.wustl.edu (William W. Schonbein) Date: Tue Jun 8 12:21:10 2004 Subject: Robert Quine In-Reply-To: <20040608080003.46040.qmail@web41511.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040608080003.46040.qmail@web41511.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hello Efren etc., On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Efr?n del Valle wrote: > Yes, they gathered "Godard" and "Spillane", removed > "Two Lane Highway" and "Forbidden Fruit" and included > the short piece "Blues N?el". Although the two absent > compositions are great, I think this compilation makes > a lot of sense thematically speaking and it portrays > the file-card period very well. I seem to recall that Two Lane Highway was also a file-card composition, but during recording it became clear that Collins wasn't up to making the quick changes, so Zorn simply extended the various segments to make them longer. cheers, whit > > Best, > > Efr?n del Valle > n.p: Sun City Girls "The Handsome Stranger" (Abduction) > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! lanza su nueva tecnolog?a de b?squedas > ?te atreves a comparar? > http://busquedas.yahoo.es > From amorosky at hotmail.com Wed Jun 9 00:33:40 2004 From: amorosky at hotmail.com (adam morosky) Date: Wed Jun 9 00:33:45 2004 Subject: Arto Lindsay cont'd/Anton Fier Message-ID: don't forget the first Lounge Lizards LP. Lindsay is the perfect addition to the band and adds great texture to Lurie's suave sound. He knows when to listen and when to chime in with a good skronk. imho: the best Lounge Lizards lineup hands down (even though Ribot was great as well). I am anxiously anticipating my copy of the DNA discography from forced exposure as I type this. in unrelated but related inquiries, has anyone heard Anton Fier's first(?) band The Feelies? AMG raves about their first album and I am thinking about tracking it down, but I was thinking about maybe getting a different opinion. and how is Fier pronounced correctly? fee-AIR? fee-AY? thanks! -adam morosky np: Anthony Braxton "Montreux/Berlin Concerts" _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From richard.gardner at colourtone.co.uk Wed Jun 9 01:28:16 2004 From: richard.gardner at colourtone.co.uk (Richard Gardner) Date: Wed Jun 9 01:28:24 2004 Subject: New Vandermark 5 CD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Did anybody on the list get the new Vandermark album with the bonus Rahsaan disk? I ordered it 6 weeks ago to get an early copy but being in the UK my CD has arrived without the bonus disk. Anybody with the extra disk and willing to share please mail me off list. I am bitterly disappointed. Richard Gardner From richard.gardner at colourtone.co.uk Wed Jun 9 01:44:49 2004 From: richard.gardner at colourtone.co.uk (Richard Gardner) Date: Wed Jun 9 01:44:53 2004 Subject: Bookshelf on top of the sky In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Finally got my copy of the Bookshelf on top of the sky DVD. I know this was discussed on the list before when the film did the rounds but for some of us this is our first opportunity to see it. As a fan I loved the great footage of rehearsals and performances from the last ten years and, when talking, Zorn is more open than I have ever read him in the press. For anybody still intrigued by Cobra there is no explanation of the piece but the rehearsal film is very enlightening. A couple of questions to those in the know. In the scenes where Zorn is talking about his life and work is he giving a talk or lecture? He seems to be looking around the room at a group. The whole structure behind the film (the film makers search for a way to film and ultimately interview John Zorn (which she never achieves) with Zorn teasing her with promises on her answerphone) seems a little mendacious when its Tzadik that have released the DVD. But I may be wrong. Richard Gardner From j4.porter at student.qut.edu.au Wed Jun 9 03:09:24 2004 From: j4.porter at student.qut.edu.au (j4.porter@student.qut.edu.au) Date: Wed Jun 9 03:09:34 2004 Subject: Bookshelf on top of the sky Message-ID: I agree. The rehearsal footage was fantastic. From the point of view of a music student, watching his "conduction" techniques was fascinating. If you want to read some very intersting stuff about Zorn and his background, I suggest William Duckworth's 'Talking Music'. Great read, especially when Zorn describes the rather alarming way he started his massive record collection. John ---- Original message ---- >Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 08:44:49 +0100 >From: Richard Gardner >Subject: Bookshelf on top of the sky >To: > >Finally got my copy of the Bookshelf on top of the sky DVD. > >I know this was discussed on the list before when the film did the rounds >but for some of us this is our first opportunity to see it. > >As a fan I loved the great footage of rehearsals and performances from the >last ten years and, when talking, Zorn is more open than I have ever read >him in the press. For anybody still intrigued by Cobra there is no >explanation of the piece but the rehearsal film is very enlightening. > >A couple of questions to those in the know. In the scenes where Zorn is >talking about his life and work is he giving a talk or lecture? He seems to >be looking around the room at a group. > >The whole structure behind the film (the film makers search for a way to >film and ultimately interview John Zorn (which she never achieves) with Zorn >teasing her with promises on her answerphone) seems a little mendacious when >its Tzadik that have released the DVD. But I may be wrong. > >Richard Gardner > > >_______________________________________________ >zorn-list mailing list >zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com >To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage below >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn- list From efrendv at yahoo.es Wed Jun 9 03:20:23 2004 From: efrendv at yahoo.es (=?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?=) Date: Wed Jun 9 03:20:30 2004 Subject: Bookshelf on top of the sky In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040609092023.10514.qmail@web41506.mail.yahoo.com> > If you want to read some very intersting stuff about > Zorn > and his background, I suggest William Duckworth's > 'Talking > Music'. 100% Seconded. A fantastic book, regardless of your particular interest in specific names. All the interviews are in-depth but very readable for non-musicians. Among the composers, Zorn, Glenn Branca, Steve Reich, Pauline Oliveros, Laurie Anderson, Lou Harrison, etc... What a list! Great read, especially when Zorn describes > the > rather alarming way he started his massive record > collection. Sure! And they were vinyls!! I tried that method twice. The first time I came out of the superstore with "Elegy" under my shirt. The second one I was caught with some "Filmworks" volumes! I decided I'd go to the university and leave my criminal career aside! :-) Best, Efr?n del Valle n.p: Sonic Youth "Sonic Nurse" (Geffen) ______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! lanza su nueva tecnolog?a de b?squedas ?te atreves a comparar? http://busquedas.yahoo.es From TagYrIt at aol.com Wed Jun 9 05:42:14 2004 From: TagYrIt at aol.com (TagYrIt@aol.com) Date: Wed Jun 9 05:42:29 2004 Subject: Anton Fier Message-ID: <140.2b98ed87.2df85196@aol.com> In a message dated 6/9/2004 2:53:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, amorosky@hotmail.com writes: and how is Fier pronounced correctly? fee-AIR? fee-AY? thanks! I was around the Cleveland music circles when Anton played in Pere Ubu and others in the area, and actually went to his apartment sale when he was getting ready to move to New York. I distinctly remember him refusing to sell me a biography of Eric Dolphy book because he wanted to keep it for himself. Its pronounced "fear," like "beer." Dale. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/zorn-list/attachments/20040609/533540e4/attachment.html From colin.clark1 at btinternet.com Wed Jun 9 05:42:50 2004 From: colin.clark1 at btinternet.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?COLIN=20CLARK?=) Date: Wed Jun 9 05:42:56 2004 Subject: Bookshelf on top of the sky In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040609114250.6397.qmail@web86009.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Where can I get hold of a copy of this DVD from the UK? I've tried amazon, but I don't have a credit card, only debit, so the oversees suppliers are out of bounds. j4.porter@student.qut.edu.au wrote: I agree. The rehearsal footage was fantastic. From the point of view of a music student, watching his "conduction" techniques was fascinating. If you want to read some very intersting stuff about Zorn and his background, I suggest William Duckworth's 'Talking Music'. Great read, especially when Zorn describes the rather alarming way he started his massive record collection. John ---- Original message ---- >Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 08:44:49 +0100 >From: Richard Gardner >Subject: Bookshelf on top of the sky >To: > >Finally got my copy of the Bookshelf on top of the sky DVD. > >I know this was discussed on the list before when the film did the rounds >but for some of us this is our first opportunity to see it. > >As a fan I loved the great footage of rehearsals and performances from the >last ten years and, when talking, Zorn is more open than I have ever read >him in the press. For anybody still intrigued by Cobra there is no >explanation of the piece but the rehearsal film is very enlightening. > >A couple of questions to those in the know. In the scenes where Zorn is >talking about his life and work is he giving a talk or lecture? He seems to >be looking around the room at a group. > >The whole structure behind the film (the film makers search for a way to >film and ultimately interview John Zorn (which she never achieves) with Zorn >teasing her with promises on her answerphone) seems a little mendacious when >its Tzadik that have released the DVD. But I may be wrong. > >Richard Gardner > > >_______________________________________________ >zorn-list mailing list >zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com >To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage below >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn- list _______________________________________________ zorn-list mailing list zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage below http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/zorn-list/attachments/20040609/9de135a3/attachment.htm From efrendv at yahoo.es Wed Jun 9 06:26:24 2004 From: efrendv at yahoo.es (=?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?=) Date: Wed Jun 9 06:26:49 2004 Subject: Bookshelf on top of the sky In-Reply-To: <20040609114250.6397.qmail@web86009.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040609122624.64145.qmail@web41507.mail.yahoo.com> You can get your copy from the Tzadik website, or what's the same, from Downtown Music Gallery, and probably from the Squidco website as well (www.squidco.com), although I haven't checked it. Best, Efr?n del Valle n.p: James Chance and the Contortions "Lost Chance" (Roir) --- COLIN CLARK escribi?: > Where can I get hold of a copy of this DVD from the > UK? I've tried amazon, but I don't have a credit > card, only debit, so the oversees suppliers are out > of bounds. > > > > j4.porter@student.qut.edu.au wrote: > I agree. The rehearsal footage was fantastic. From > the > point of view of a music student, watching his > "conduction" > techniques was fascinating. > > If you want to read some very intersting stuff about > Zorn > and his background, I suggest William Duckworth's > 'Talking > Music'. Great read, especially when Zorn describes > the > rather alarming way he started his massive record > collection. > > John > > ---- Original message ---- > >Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 08:44:49 +0100 > >From: Richard Gardner > >Subject: Bookshelf on top of the sky > >To: > > > >Finally got my copy of the Bookshelf on top of the > sky DVD. > > > >I know this was discussed on the list before when > the film > did the rounds > >but for some of us this is our first opportunity to > see it. > > > >As a fan I loved the great footage of rehearsals > and > performances from the > >last ten years and, when talking, Zorn is more open > than I > have ever read > >him in the press. For anybody still intrigued by > Cobra > there is no > >explanation of the piece but the rehearsal film is > very > enlightening. > > > >A couple of questions to those in the know. In the > scenes > where Zorn is > >talking about his life and work is he giving a talk > or > lecture? He seems to > >be looking around the room at a group. > > > >The whole structure behind the film (the film > makers search > for a way to > >film and ultimately interview John Zorn (which she > never > achieves) with Zorn > >teasing her with promises on her answerphone) seems > a > little mendacious when > >its Tzadik that have released the DVD. But I may be > wrong. > > > >Richard Gardner > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >zorn-list mailing list > >zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com > >To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, > go to > the webpage below > >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn- > list > > _______________________________________________ > zorn-list mailing list > zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com > To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, > go to the webpage below > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list> _______________________________________________ > zorn-list mailing list > zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com > To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, > go to the webpage below > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list > ______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! lanza su nueva tecnolog?a de b?squedas ?te atreves a comparar? http://busquedas.yahoo.es From quint at nii.ac.jp Wed Jun 9 08:31:49 2004 From: quint at nii.ac.jp (Julien Quint) Date: Wed Jun 9 08:30:41 2004 Subject: epitonic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jun 5, 2004, at 3:59 AM, Sim?n Calle wrote: > Does any body knows a similar site to epitonic.com Actually I have just read somewhere that the guys from Epitonic sold their site and started a new one, which is very similar, but more up-to-date: http://betterpropaganda.com/ Julien From jneff at visuallink.com Wed Jun 9 10:29:19 2004 From: jneff at visuallink.com (josephneff) Date: Wed Jun 9 10:44:13 2004 Subject: Arto Lindsay cont'd/Anton Fier In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello, On Wednesday, June 09, 2004 2:34 AM Adam Morosky wrote: >>in unrelated but related inquiries, has anyone heard Anton Fier's first(?) band The Feelies? AMG raves about their first album and I am thinking about tracking it down, but I was thinking about maybe getting a different opinion. and how is Fier pronounced correctly? fee-AIR? fee-AY? thanks! -adam morosky<< it's bookish post-Velvets guitar pop/rock, and highly recommended. Anton's contribution is a major part of the proceedings, and I think a big factor in their posthumous reputation. Playing the LP, I can easily imagine a packed, sweaty club being MOVED by this stuff. They can really cook at times, and at other moments can put together a song like "Moscow Nights" that's as pretty as it is rocking. "Crazy Rhythms" is a record that pretty much always stays downstairs in my house, since whenever I decide to refile my LPs upstairs a few times a year I end up playing this one for a few days. So it stays close to the stereo. Right now it's on the stereo. Joseph NP: see above NR: Graham Greene- "The Heart of the Matter" From ricardoviseu at hotmail.com Wed Jun 9 12:06:28 2004 From: ricardoviseu at hotmail.com (Ricardo Jorge) Date: Wed Jun 9 12:06:40 2004 Subject: Arto Lindsay DNA on DNA Message-ID: This goes way up thre to ner one along the avant DNA album & the Trio album just received it & the few newly released tunes are worth the buy!! _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger: converse com os seus amigos online. http://messenger.msn.com.br From modbohemian2 at hotmail.com Mon Jun 7 20:45:42 2004 From: modbohemian2 at hotmail.com (mod bohemian) Date: Wed Jun 9 15:59:17 2004 Subject: electric masada Message-ID: Hello Efrén, (So sorry it took me so long to reply; I've been having a lot of trouble accessing this e-mail account) About the Masada songbook, you said, >>>Zorn was writing Masada tunes (I don't know the exact number, but over two hundred) for a certain period of time.<<< If he writes anything new in that vein, is the new song considered part of the Masada songbook, as well? Or does the Masada songbook simply encompass anything that might be considered "Jewish" music, written anytime? Also, is Zorn the only composer of the Masada songbook? >>>Electric Masada uses electric instruments, including keyboards, electric guitar, electric bass, laptop, etc... although the Bar Kokhba sextet already included Ribot. So I guess it should be called More Electric Masada. Expect an Even More Electric Masada configuration anytime soon, including heavy metal guitars, electric drums and firework paraphernalia!<<< Hmmmm, now that could be interesting! Thanks very much for your reply. Sincerely, Jennifer np: Zorn's "Filmworks XI: Under the Wing" _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From ecstasymule at hotmail.com Wed Jun 9 22:52:10 2004 From: ecstasymule at hotmail.com (Kurt Gottschalk) Date: Wed Jun 9 22:52:19 2004 Subject: bookshelf on top of the sky Message-ID: effren kindly said: >>>and probably from the Squidco website as well (www.squidco.com), although I haven't checked it. indeed, we do have it in stock, and ship worldwide. thanks, effren. kg np: bucketrider - guignol's band (and having just finished part 4 of celine's trilogy, no less) _________________________________________________________________ Getting married? Find great tips, tools and the latest trends at MSN Life Events. http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=married From ericksna at umich.edu Wed Jun 9 23:53:35 2004 From: ericksna at umich.edu (ericksna@umich.edu) Date: Wed Jun 9 23:53:53 2004 Subject: Feelies and Phnom Penh In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1086846815.40c7f75f32593@mail.umich.edu> As far as the first Feelies Record goes, I would second that recommendation wholeheartedly, worth picking up. Probably doesn't sound as out there today, but still a great listen. Anyone with Tokyo recommendations also have some recommendations for south east Asia by chance? I am currently spending ten weeks in Phnom Penh, and outside of the very interesting local buddhist music emanating from the temples at five in the morning, I've found nothing but pirated versions of top 40. Anyone know of any good shops in Bangkok, etc? From pat-zlist at silverknuckle.com Thu Jun 10 06:28:57 2004 From: pat-zlist at silverknuckle.com (patRice) Date: Thu Jun 10 01:30:51 2004 Subject: The Zornlist sharing MP3s / Arto Lindsay on the Dutch Radio Website (was: Re: Arto Lindsay recommendations) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Y'all... Wanted to check out the Lindsay stuff on the links that Dan provided us with: > http://www.vpro.nl/programma/isditnogweljazz/afleveringen/17106387/ > http://www.vpro.nl/programma/isditnogweljazz/afleveringen/17106198/ Unfortunately, I couldn't find any MP3s... Also wanted to listen to > on't miss this live performance of about 45 minutes of "Napolli's > Walls" by Louis Sclavis' quartet on the BBC Radio 3's "Jazz on 3" > show. If you haven't heard this guy yet, hold onto your hat! Bass > clarinet gone amok! This one is only available until Friday... > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/jazz/jon3/jon3.shtml?focuswin but this requires Real One Player; no way am I going to install that spyware thing... So, I was generally wondering - do any of you maybe record this stuff onto the com- puter, convert it to MP3 and then archive it? If yes: wouldn't it be great if we could somehow make those files available to one another? I would happily provide password- protected space on one of my webservers; of course having to make sure it wouldn't take too much bandwith - or I might get into trouble with my webhost... Let me know what you think... (On or off- list.) patRice http://silverknuckle.com http://tattoo-source.com np: Matsu Takako, Complete Singles nr: Bangkok Post From pat-zlist at silverknuckle.com Thu Jun 10 07:02:58 2004 From: pat-zlist at silverknuckle.com (patRice) Date: Thu Jun 10 02:04:51 2004 Subject: Buying Music in Bangkok (was: Re: Feelies and Phnom Penh) In-Reply-To: <1086846815.40c7f75f32593@mail.umich.edu> Message-ID: <7EFC7BE6-BADE-11D8-8329-000D93C22E50@silverknuckle.com> Hi there... > Anyone with Tokyo recommendations also have some recommendations for > south east > Asia by chance? I am currently spending ten weeks in Phnom Penh, and > outside > of the very interesting local buddhist music emanating from the > temples at five > in the morning, I've found nothing but pirated versions of top 40. > Anyone know > of any good shops in Bangkok, etc? I happen to be living in Bangkok - and unfortunately, it is much the same as Phnom Penh. (In the latter you are in fact more likely to find the interes- ting stuff! Also as far as pirate DVDs are concerned. Here, however, it is paradise for pirated computer soft- ware...) If you are lucky, though, you can accidentally find the odd 2nd hand shop that has a pretty good selection of vinyl! There used to be a fantas- tic record shop in the Central Wold Plaza (formerly World Trade Center), but very expensive, and they've been out of biz for a few months now. In Bangkok you wont find any really interesting venues for live music. The best-known places (Saxophone Bar, The Brown Sugar and The Witch's Tavern) usually have very mediocre bands on. If you can get into Thai Pop though - there are some great live bands catering to that taste. (And I can wholeheartedly re- commend going to such a place just to witness how much the Thais can enjoy themselves!) patRice http://silverknuckle.com http://tattoo-source.com np: The Lounge Lizards, The Lounge Lizards nr: Danzig Baldaev, Russian Criminal Tattoo Encyclopaedia From smokey at maui.net Thu Jun 10 02:07:33 2004 From: smokey at maui.net (Dan Frank Kuehn) Date: Thu Jun 10 02:13:12 2004 Subject: The Zornlist sharing MP3s / Arto Lindsay on the Dutch Radio Website (was: Re: Arto Lindsay recommendations) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3A4A1952-BAB5-11D8-B4E5-00039394F5D8@maui.net> Yeah, these are all RealAudio - Spyware? I didn't realize there were privacy issues around receiving streaming audio. I record these things directly into a FeltTip Sound Studio file and chop them into tracks before dumping the folder into iTunes, and then onto CD, if I really like'm. I've got little bandwidth for sending huge files, sorry. While I'm on the subject, WFMU out of NYC archives an unimaginable amount of RealAudio files from all its DJs. The "Inflated Squirrel Carcass" alone is 3 hours a week going back to Jan 2001(!) of the MOST eclectic assortment of the arcane, each show bizarrely titled(with playlists going back to '97...): http://wfmu.org/playlists/IS Tiptoe into the stream, no fear, Dan On Thursday, June 10, 2004, at 02:28 AM, patRice wrote: > > Hi Y'all... > > Wanted to check out the Lindsay stuff on the > links that Dan provided us with: > >> http://www.vpro.nl/programma/isditnogweljazz/afleveringen/17106387/ >> http://www.vpro.nl/programma/isditnogweljazz/afleveringen/17106198/ > > Unfortunately, I couldn't find any MP3s... > > Also wanted to listen to > >> on't miss this live performance of about 45 minutes of "Napolli's >> Walls" by Louis Sclavis' quartet on the BBC Radio 3's "Jazz on 3" >> show. If you haven't heard this guy yet, hold onto your hat! Bass >> clarinet gone amok! This one is only available until Friday... >> >> http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/jazz/jon3/jon3.shtml?focuswin > > but this requires Real One Player; no way > am I going to install that spyware thing... > > So, I was generally wondering - do any of > you maybe record this stuff onto the com- > puter, convert it to MP3 and then archive > it? If yes: wouldn't it be great if we could > somehow make those files available to one > another? I would happily provide password- > protected space on one of my webservers; > of course having to make sure it wouldn't > take too much bandwith - or I might get > into trouble with my webhost... > > Let me know what you think... (On or off- > list.) > > patRice > http://silverknuckle.com > http://tattoo-source.com > > np: Matsu Takako, Complete Singles > nr: Bangkok Post > > > Dan Frank Kuehn Dan Frank Digital Design SR1 Box 9 Haiku Maui HI 96708 USA 808 572 9699 http://www.frankdan.com From ashline at gmail.com Thu Jun 10 02:22:46 2004 From: ashline at gmail.com (Bill Ashline) Date: Thu Jun 10 02:22:51 2004 Subject: Feelies and Phnom Penh In-Reply-To: <491bf0db040610012110bc8cf5@mail.gmail.com> References: <1086846815.40c7f75f32593@mail.umich.edu> <491bf0db040610012110bc8cf5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <491bf0db04061001225e02e3e4@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 01:53:35 -0400, ericksna@umich.edu wrote: > Anyone with Tokyo recommendations also have some recommendations for south east > Asia by chance? I am currently spending ten weeks in Phnom Penh, and outside > of the very interesting local buddhist music emanating from the temples at five > in the morning, I've found nothing but pirated versions of top 40. Anyone know > of any good shops in Bangkok, etc? I haven't been to Bangkok in a few years and to Phnom Penh for even longer, but I used to do a fair bit of CD shopping at the Tower Records in Siam Square, which, in the day, was pretty cheap and had a good selection of improvised music, including Zorn, Derek Bailey, Laswell, etc. If you are in Phnom Penh, you should ask the locals about good Khmer rock music and ask to get a hold of some tapes to try out. I've heard some really good Khmer rock, and some time ago, there was a reissue on CD of Cambodian rock music of the early 70s, which had a lot of rave reviews. You're not likely to find that particular CD there, but you might find music from a lot of the artists from it. If you're in Thailand, you most assuredly should check out the raucous rhythms of the music of Isaan and Southern Laos. For that, I'd suggest a trip up through Northeast Thailand--hit the big places like Surin, Nakhon Ratchathani, and Nong Khai and ask around. That's my favorite place in all of Thailand and it gets only 2% of the tourists. Don't miss it. From efrendv at yahoo.es Thu Jun 10 02:46:45 2004 From: efrendv at yahoo.es (=?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?=) Date: Thu Jun 10 02:46:50 2004 Subject: electric masada In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040610084645.1174.qmail@web41508.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, --- mod bohemian escribi?: > If he writes anything new in that vein, is the new > song considered part of > the Masada songbook, as well? No idea, but he's supposed to have stopped writing Masada tunes a while ago, if I'm not wrong. Or does the Masada > songbook simply encompass > anything that might be considered "Jewish" music, > written anytime? No that I know. Kol Nidre or Kristallnacht don't belong to the Masada songbook, not to mention any of the numerous tributes to Jewish artists from his discography. Masada is a very specific project with its particular style that it's being developed through different lineups and approaches. > Also, is Zorn the only composer of the Masada > songbook? Yes, it's HIS project. Best, Efr?n del Valle n.p: Lou Reed "The Blue Mask" n.r: Jorge Luis Borges "Ficciones" ______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! lanza su nueva tecnolog?a de b?squedas ?te atreves a comparar? http://busquedas.yahoo.es From euribbo at hotmail.com Thu Jun 10 05:12:58 2004 From: euribbo at hotmail.com (Mattias Ribbing) Date: Thu Jun 10 05:13:05 2004 Subject: Perspectives 2004 in Sweden Message-ID: Hi everyone! Im just so excited about this that I have to let you all know. This is the biggest thing EVER to take place in Sweden when it comes to new/creative music. If you ever thought about visiting Sweden, here is your chance :) Here are the most known acts: Perspectives 2004 - Festival for Creative Music - V?ster?s, Sweden 21-24 october FRED FRITH (with a big swedish ensemble) ANTHONY BRAXTON (solo) PETER BR?TZMANN/MILFORD GRAVES KIM GORDON PROJECT (with Ikue Mori and Lotta Melin) DISCAHOLICS ANONYMOUS TRIO (Thurston Moore, Jim O'Rourke, Mats Gustafsson) BLONDE REDHEAD WOLF EYES MARILYN CRISPELL (with Palle Danielsson, Fredrik Ljungkvist and Paal Nilssen-Love) MERZBOW/JIM O'ROURKE HAN BENNINK/PER HENRIK WALLIN FREE MUSIC ENSEMBLE (Ken Vandermark, Nate McBride, Paal Nilssen-Love) JAAP BLONK/THOMAS LEHN/LINDHA KALLERDAHL BOBO STENSON/SVEN-?KE JOHANSSON/IVAR LINDELL GUSH + THURSTON MOORE (Mats Gustavsson, Raymond Strid, Sten Sandell) KIM HIORT?Y + lots of less know, though very exiting, swedish acts The festival takes place in V?ster?s, one hour from Stockholm. (cheap ryan air filghts from London land directly in v?ster?s) Hope to see some of you there :) /Mattias From modbohemian2 at hotmail.com Thu Jun 10 08:43:03 2004 From: modbohemian2 at hotmail.com (mod bohemian) Date: Thu Jun 10 08:43:12 2004 Subject: Real One Player Message-ID: >>>but this requires Real One Player; no way am I going to install that spyware thing...<<< I understand completely. But there is another program which is NOT the Real One Player, yet it allows one to play Real One formats. I did not install it on my computer; someone else did. If you're interested, I could find out more and let you know. Jennifer _________________________________________________________________ Getting married? Find great tips, tools and the latest trends at MSN Life Events. http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=married From seawes at allmusic.com Thu Jun 10 14:00:31 2004 From: seawes at allmusic.com (Sean Westergaard) Date: Thu Jun 10 14:00:44 2004 Subject: so long, ray charles Message-ID: http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040610/ap_en_mu/obit_charles_5 From rubyvroom at virgilio.it Fri Jun 11 05:36:19 2004 From: rubyvroom at virgilio.it (Edo) Date: Fri Jun 11 05:40:39 2004 Subject: HELP!!! Message-ID: <8E93BDF8-BB9B-11D8-83EF-000A95E7D472@virgilio.it> Hi everybody! Can anyone help me?? I'm an Italian Zorn fan and I've heard about his coming to Italy at the end of June for some gigs. My problem is: Where is he playing on the 29th in Milan? And moreover, what is he going to perform? Electric Masada? Can anyone tell me exactly the place (theatre, club...) of his Milan concert?? Thanks a lot in advance!!! I hope I'll get news very soon!!! 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Hope this helps, Jennifer _________________________________________________________________ Stop worrying about overloading your inbox - get MSN Hotmail Extra Storage! http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ From theclosethipster at hotmail.com Fri Jun 11 14:31:34 2004 From: theclosethipster at hotmail.com (Gullasch Baronen) Date: Fri Jun 11 14:31:43 2004 Subject: OT: Elvis Costello: "Psycho" (by Leon Payne, that is) Message-ID: Hello, Did Elvis Costello record "Psycho" anywhere else than on "Almost Blue"? It's very nice, but I'd like to hear a studio version as well, perhaps. Is the original available anywhere, btw? Did Leon Payne record it himself? Jonas _________________________________________________________________ Få alle de nye og sjove ikoner med MSN Messenger http://www.msn.dk/messenger From pat-zlist at silverknuckle.com Sat Jun 12 08:29:11 2004 From: pat-zlist at silverknuckle.com (patRice) Date: Sat Jun 12 03:31:28 2004 Subject: The best music ever recorded? Message-ID: Hello again... Some of my friends used to wind me up a lot because very often I would play some music and say "This is one of my fave tracks of all times!"... (But there really are that many that I simply adore... ;-)) Since my record/cd collection is in storage back in Europe, I sometimes ask friends to email me MP3s. Yesterday I received Coltrane's Transitions (the first track), a tune I had been longing to hear again. And (don't laugh!): to me personally, it is one of the best recorded pieces I have ever heard in my life... Every time I hear it I am simply overwhelmed by its power... Was wondering what some of you feel/ think is some of the best music ever put on tape? patRice np: Boulez conducts Var?se: Ionisation nr: Euro 2004 match schedule From pat-zlist at silverknuckle.com Sat Jun 12 08:29:34 2004 From: pat-zlist at silverknuckle.com (patRice) Date: Sat Jun 12 03:31:35 2004 Subject: Drummers... (and a bit of Terry Bozzio) Message-ID: Hi y'all... I've been a drummer for most of my life, and now my little brother is getting into it. He asked me which essential drummers he should check out. I think it's been discussed in the past, but I'm sure in the meantime some of you have got some new input/ ideas. Of course I recommended some of the guys I admire: Tony Williams, Joey Baron, Elvin Jones, Boris Williams (ex The Cure), Mike Portnoy (Dream Theater), Terry Bozzio (btw: check out some of his mental solo videos here: http://www.vicfirth.com/artists/bozzio/mediaframe.html ); and some people I have heard you talk about like Hamid Drake and Susie Ibarra. Any more ideas? (Looking forward to your replies, since they are always helpful and interesting!) patRice np: Terry Bozzio, Drawing The Circle nr: Haruki Murakami, The Wind-Up Bird Chronicle From ericvanrees at hotmail.com Sat Jun 12 04:00:43 2004 From: ericvanrees at hotmail.com (Eric van Rees) Date: Sat Jun 12 04:00:52 2004 Subject: acoustic masada gig announced Message-ID: hello, this link announces an acoustic masada gig in October in France. I thought Zorn only concentrates on Electric Masada? http://www.davedouglas.com/events.html gr. Eric _________________________________________________________________ Speel games met je online vrienden via MSN Messenger http://messenger.msn.nl/ From germtheory at optusnet.com.au Sat Jun 12 07:46:35 2004 From: germtheory at optusnet.com.au (Julian) Date: Sat Jun 12 07:41:19 2004 Subject: Drummers... (and a bit of Terry Bozzio) References: Message-ID: <007101c45083$ae403d80$22b11ed3@nsw.optushome.com.au> Apart from what you mentioned, I'd have to say Jim Black, definitely one of my favourites - check out Dave Douglas' Tiny Bell Trio, Peter Epstein's Quartet, Pachora or his own band AlasNoAxis... > He asked me which essential drummers he should check > out. > > I think it's been discussed in the past, but I'm sure in > the meantime some of you have got some new input/ > ideas. > > Of course I recommended some of the guys I admire: > Tony Williams, Joey Baron, Elvin Jones, Boris Williams > (ex The Cure), Mike Portnoy (Dream Theater), Terry Bozzio > (btw: check out some of his mental solo videos here: > http://www.vicfirth.com/artists/bozzio/mediaframe.html ); > and some people I have heard you talk about like Hamid > Drake and Susie Ibarra. > > Any more ideas? (Looking forward to your replies, > since they are always helpful and interesting!) From quint at nii.ac.jp Sat Jun 12 08:40:42 2004 From: quint at nii.ac.jp (Julien Quint) Date: Sat Jun 12 08:39:27 2004 Subject: acoustic masada gig announced In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7AF03DEC-BC7E-11D8-BAE1-000A956ABB8E@nii.ac.jp> On Jun 12, 2004, at 7:00 PM, Eric van Rees wrote: > this link announces an acoustic masada gig in October in France. I > thought Zorn only concentrates on Electric Masada? > > http://www.davedouglas.com/events.html In Grenoble, no less! My hometown... where nothing usually happens. It's on a Saturday so you could go spend the week-end in the mountains, it's very nice :) BTW, does anyone know about interesting stuff happening or places to visit (musically speaking) in Venice, Italy next week? And how about Barcelona at the end of July? Record store addresses are more than welcome. Thanks, Julien From modbohemian2 at hotmail.com Sat Jun 12 09:22:12 2004 From: modbohemian2 at hotmail.com (mod bohemian) Date: Sat Jun 12 09:22:19 2004 Subject: Drummers... (and a bit of Terry Bozzio) Message-ID: >>>He asked me which essential drummers he should check out.....Any more ideas? <<< Personally, I'd also add Cyro Baptista. The reason I say so is that awhile back, I was listening to a Robert Palmer tune ("Aeroplane") at a friend's house and not only did I fall in love with the tune, but I immediately thought of Cyro Baptista. When I looked at the CD, sure enough, there was Cyro Baptista's name (spelled differently on the CD, oddly enough, as "Battista"). If I'm not mistaken, that was the only song on the album on which Cyro played, and I somehow recognized his style. Normally, I'm not particularly interested in percussion, but Cyro's talent somehow stands apart from the rest for me. Jennifer _________________________________________________________________ Looking to buy a house? Get informed with the Home Buying Guide from MSN House & Home. http://coldwellbanker.msn.com/ From thisparadise at sbcglobal.net Sat Jun 12 09:31:11 2004 From: thisparadise at sbcglobal.net (skip heller) Date: Sat Jun 12 09:27:15 2004 Subject: The best music ever recorded? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: mp3-sized moments: billie holiday's recording of "autumn in new york" on verve t-bone walker "i walked away" on imperial the beatles' "the night before" the ronettes' "be my baby" miles davis "it never entered my mind" on blue note bill monroe "on and on" on decca wall of voodoo's "back in flesh" on IRS (the guitar opening on that one likely gave derek bailey goosebumps) skip h From wwschonb at artsci.wustl.edu Sat Jun 12 09:35:20 2004 From: wwschonb at artsci.wustl.edu (William W. Schonbein) Date: Sat Jun 12 09:35:26 2004 Subject: Drummers... (and a bit of Terry Bozzio) In-Reply-To: <007101c45083$ae403d80$22b11ed3@nsw.optushome.com.au> References: <007101c45083$ae403d80$22b11ed3@nsw.optushome.com.au> Message-ID: On Sat, 12 Jun 2004, Julian wrote: > Apart from what you mentioned, I'd have to say Jim Black, definitely one of > my favourites - check out Dave Douglas' Tiny Bell Trio, Peter Epstein's > Quartet, Pachora or his own band AlasNoAxis... ...or his work in Tim Berne's Bloodcount! ;) whit > > > He asked me which essential drummers he should check > > out. > > > > I think it's been discussed in the past, but I'm sure in > > the meantime some of you have got some new input/ > > ideas. > > > > Of course I recommended some of the guys I admire: > > Tony Williams, Joey Baron, Elvin Jones, Boris Williams > > (ex The Cure), Mike Portnoy (Dream Theater), Terry Bozzio > > (btw: check out some of his mental solo videos here: > > http://www.vicfirth.com/artists/bozzio/mediaframe.html ); > > and some people I have heard you talk about like Hamid > > Drake and Susie Ibarra. > > > > Any more ideas? (Looking forward to your replies, > > since they are always helpful and interesting!) > > > > _______________________________________________ > zorn-list mailing list > zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com > To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage below > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list > From thisparadise at sbcglobal.net Sat Jun 12 09:45:19 2004 From: thisparadise at sbcglobal.net (skip heller) Date: Sat Jun 12 09:41:25 2004 Subject: Drummers... (and a bit of Terry Bozzio) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Roger Hawkins, Levon Helm, Bernard Purdie, Hugo Burnham, Clyde Stubblefield, Chester Thompson, Tom Ardolino, Panama Francis, and Al Jackson for groove Kenny Clarke, Dom Um Romao, Ralph Peterson, and Shelley Manne for their SOUND. Sonny Payne for straight up and down swinging Mitch Mitchell, Bill Bateman, Philly Joe Jones, DJ Bonebrake, and Dale Crover for how to drive a band with guts and brains George Hurley, Paul Motian, Joey Baron (Jim Black, Kenny Wolleson), Elvin Jones, Tony Williams, and Airto Moreira for creative UN-obvious ways of doing basic jobs. Max Roach and Ringo Starr for how to always play the right supportive thing. The Karl malone school of drums. sh on 6/12/04 8:22 AM, mod bohemian at modbohemian2@hotmail.com wrote: >>>> He asked me which essential drummers he should check > out.....Any more ideas? <<< > > Personally, I'd also add Cyro Baptista. The reason I say so is that awhile > back, I was listening to a Robert Palmer tune ("Aeroplane") at a friend's > house and not only did I fall in love with the tune, but I immediately > thought of Cyro Baptista. When I looked at the CD, sure enough, there was > Cyro Baptista's name (spelled differently on the CD, oddly enough, as > "Battista"). If I'm not mistaken, that was the only song on the album on > which Cyro played, and I somehow recognized his style. Normally, I'm not > particularly interested in percussion, but Cyro's talent somehow stands > apart from the rest for me. > > Jennifer > > _________________________________________________________________ > Looking to buy a house? Get informed with the Home Buying Guide from MSN > House & Home. http://coldwellbanker.msn.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > zorn-list mailing list > zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com > To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage below > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list From oborzeix at sympatico.ca Sat Jun 12 10:06:30 2004 From: oborzeix at sympatico.ca (Olivier Borzeix) Date: Sat Jun 12 10:06:40 2004 Subject: The best music ever recorded? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <77572824-BC8A-11D8-8390-000A95CA3D16@sympatico.ca> I guess we're a huge bunch of records collectors here right? So what's the point of this? I'd like to think that I can can pin point my favourite music ever, but thinking for a bit and considering the marvelous diversity of facinating music that I know (not even starting on the universe of other music that I don't know) I find it to be totally pointless and even insulting to try and come out with anything close to a list of "The best music ever recorded"!!!! Sorry, being a bit grumpy this morning. Olivier Le 04-06-12, ? 11:31, skip heller a ?crit : > mp3-sized moments: > > billie holiday's recording of "autumn in new york" on verve > t-bone walker "i walked away" on imperial > the beatles' "the night before" > the ronettes' "be my baby" > miles davis "it never entered my mind" on blue note > bill monroe "on and on" on decca > wall of voodoo's "back in flesh" on IRS (the guitar opening on that > one > likely gave derek bailey goosebumps) > > skip h > > > _______________________________________________ > zorn-list mailing list > zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com > To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage > below > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list > From modbohemian2 at hotmail.com Sat Jun 12 10:44:26 2004 From: modbohemian2 at hotmail.com (mod bohemian) Date: Sat Jun 12 10:45:46 2004 Subject: The best music ever recorded? Message-ID: >>>Was wondering what some of you feel/think is some of the best music ever >>>put on tape?<< Well, of course you've asked nearly the impossible! "Best" could be interpreted in so many different ways, but I'll choose to answer the question by simply thinking of it in terms of what I'd take with me to a deserted island. In no particular order: "Grace," written by Jeff Buckley and Gary Lucas. Jeff's incredible voice and that haunting melody will never grow stale with me. Ever. My ears digest this treat dozens of times each month. "L'Epineuse" (4th book, order 26, F sharp minor) by my favorite classical composer, François Couperin. I first heard the song in a music class at university several years ago, and the tune has never left me. I’ve heard dozens of recordings of the song, but to me, the absolute best, bar none, is by one of the greatest harpsichordists ever recorded, Anton Heiller. “Tsur Misheloy” from “The Zmiros Project” by Frank London, Lorin Sklamberg, Rob Schwimmer. Lorin’s voice, the arrangement of the song, and its execution are all exquisite. “Junker and the Jewess” off the album “Skeleton at the Feast” by guitarist extraordinaire Gary Lucas. I have absolutely no idea why, but this melody seems to have my name written all over it. It’s nearly impossible to describe this song if you haven’t heard it, but “seductively psychedelic” comes to mind. The melody crawls inside my body and wriggles its way into every molecule. I’ve never heard the song performed in person, and quite frankly, the thought both terrifies and arouses me to no end. “Abidan,” off of John Zorn’s “Bar Kokhba.” I used to play the clarinet in high school and university bands, and although I enjoyed the instrument, I never realized its true beauty until I heard this song. It will always remain a favorite of mine. “Song to the Siren,” by the only and only Tim Buckley from the album “Starsailor.” The thought of one day hearing this live makes earthly death seem almost inviting. “Le tic-toc-choc, ou les Maillotins” by, indeed, François Couperin and brilliantly interpreted by Anton Heiller. How can I describe my reaction to this song….. I once read that a particular classical composer was physically unattractive, unclean, and rather repulsive to members of the opposite sex, but because his music was so powerful, he fathered almost a dozen children, all out of wedlock. If music is mind control, then this song is an atomic bomb for me. For safety reasons, I refuse to allow it fill the atmosphere around me when I’m driving. And, of course, I could easily add 20 more songs and undoubtedly there are songs that I haven’t heard and ones that I've forgotten that should be added to my list. But these are the ones that have reserved seats in the front row in my memory. Jennifer _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From efrendv at yahoo.es Sat Jun 12 11:40:21 2004 From: efrendv at yahoo.es (=?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?=) Date: Sat Jun 12 11:40:28 2004 Subject: Drummers... and a bit of Eskelin DVD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040612174021.97508.qmail@web41510.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, --- patRice escribi?: > Of course I recommended some of the guys I admire: > Tony Williams, Joey Baron, Elvin Jones. I totally second all of these plus the Jim Black recommendation. One of the greatest drummers I've ever heard/seen, with a style that's totally his own throwing in influences from jazz, rock, drum'n'bass, basically anything in a very unorthodox, spectacular and entertaining playing. BTW, I seize the opportunity to recommend Ellery Eskelin's Trio DVD. It's a fantastic document, really amusing, and if features solo playing by the Eskelin, Parkins and Black, all of them astounding performances. Lovely document. And the Sonic Youth DVD "Corporate Ghost" is fantastic, as well!! > and some people I have heard you talk about like > Hamid > Drake and Susie Ibarra. You can't go wrong with these two. I'd also add a very creative drummer, Tom Rainey, basically known for his collaborations with Mark Helias and Tim Berne's Paraphrase, Big Satan and Science Friction. Milford Graves is a classic free-jazz drummer with amazing recordings with Paul Bley, Albert Ayler (no less) and Zorn, among many others. He also has two solo albums on Tzadik which are excellent. Chad Taylor is a very elegant and versatile drummer from Chicago. You can spot him with Fred Anderson, the Chicago Underground bands, his own Titration group, Sam Prekop "s/t" (Thrill Jockey- great album!), etc... I recently saw Paal-Nilssen Love with Ken Vandermark's FME and left astounded. Nothing really original but truly resourceful and spectacular as well. Tatsuya Yoshida -from Ruins- is one of the most amazing solo concerts I've ever seen. What he does IS plainly impossible! Eric Echampard is an great French jazz drummer with a bit of rock energy. You can find him in some of Marc Ducret's albums, and "L'Ombra di Verdi" (Screwgun) is particularly recommendable, imho. Jack deJohnette with Miles, Leo Smith's Golden Quartet, ... basically anyone. Rashied Ali on Coltrane's "Interestellar Space", "Estellar Regions", etc... Ed Blackwell with Ornette Coleman's Quartet. Paul Lytton, who I saw with Ken Vandermark, nonstoppable. I was lucky to see Medeski Martin and Wood recently and couldn't believe how good Billy Martin sounds live. Not only is he an amazing drummer, but also a lot of fun to see. Too long an e-mail. Sorry! Best, Efr?n del Valle n.p: Fantomas "April 5th, 2004- NYC" (bootleg) > Any more ideas? (Looking forward to your replies, > since they are always helpful and interesting!) > > patRice > > np: Terry Bozzio, Drawing The Circle > nr: Haruki Murakami, The Wind-Up Bird Chronicle > > > _______________________________________________ > zorn-list mailing list > zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com > To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, > go to the webpage below > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list > __________________________________________ Yahoo! lanza su nueva tecnolog?a de b?squedas ?te atreves a comparar? http://busquedas.yahoo.es From rladew at verizon.net Sat Jun 12 12:22:17 2004 From: rladew at verizon.net (RICHARD LADEW) Date: Sat Jun 12 12:22:07 2004 Subject: The best music ever recorded? In-Reply-To: <77572824-BC8A-11D8-8390-000A95CA3D16@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <000301c450aa$318f8c10$2f01a8c0@Ladew> I think the futility of trying is the fun part! But - even a brief cursory list will take more time than I have right now :) ....to be continued..... NP: Mission of Burma "OnOFFON" Rich Ladew rladew@verizon.net -----Original Message----- From: zorn-list-bounces+rladew=verizon.net@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:zorn-list-bounces+rladew=verizon.net@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Olivier Borzeix Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 11:07 AM To: skip heller Cc: zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: The best music ever recorded? I guess we're a huge bunch of records collectors here right? So what's the point of this? I'd like to think that I can can pin point my favourite music ever, but thinking for a bit and considering the marvelous diversity of facinating music that I know (not even starting on the universe of other music that I don't know) I find it to be totally pointless and even insulting to try and come out with anything close to a list of "The best music ever recorded"!!!! Sorry, being a bit grumpy this morning. Olivier From colin.clark1 at btinternet.com Sat Jun 12 13:09:46 2004 From: colin.clark1 at btinternet.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?COLIN=20CLARK?=) Date: Sat Jun 12 13:09:55 2004 Subject: The best music ever recorded? In-Reply-To: <000301c450aa$318f8c10$2f01a8c0@Ladew> Message-ID: <20040612190946.31141.qmail@web86004.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> >I think the futility of trying is the fun part! I totally agree! fwiw: Talk Talk's "I Believe in You" from Spirit of Eden album. Stills my heart every time, even after 15 years. c -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/zorn-list/attachments/20040612/18fa2ef4/attachment.html From ashline at gmail.com Sat Jun 12 17:56:14 2004 From: ashline at gmail.com (Bill Ashline) Date: Sat Jun 12 17:56:17 2004 Subject: The best music ever recorded? In-Reply-To: <000301c450aa$318f8c10$2f01a8c0@Ladew> References: <000301c450aa$318f8c10$2f01a8c0@Ladew> Message-ID: <491bf0db04061216563e34f3c2@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 14:22:17 -0400, RICHARD LADEW wrote: > > I think the futility of trying is the fun part! There's a fun set up of lists up at Counterpunch right now: http://www.counterpunch.org/albums.html From TimBlechmann at gmx.net Sat Jun 12 18:18:33 2004 From: TimBlechmann at gmx.net (Tim Blechmann) Date: Sun Jun 13 01:44:36 2004 Subject: Drummers... (and a bit of Terry Bozzio) In-Reply-To: References: <007101c45083$ae403d80$22b11ed3@nsw.optushome.com.au> Message-ID: <20040613021833.3fdd1fbe@laptop> the saxophonist assif tsahar played with nearly every good drummer ... hamid drake, sunny murray, rashid ali, jim black, susie ibarra, paul lovens, tatsuya nakatani ... an amazing list ... cheers... -- Tim mailto:TimBlechmann@gmx.de ICQ: 96771783 -- The only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn, like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars and in the middle you see the blue centerlight pop and everybody goes "Awww!" Jack Kerouac From mgzl at tlen.pl Sat Jun 12 03:56:42 2004 From: mgzl at tlen.pl (Marcin G) Date: Sun Jun 13 03:53:11 2004 Subject: Drummers... and a bit of Eskelin DVD References: <20040612174021.97508.qmail@web41510.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003401c45063$909dc6a0$bccca8c0@m65> Bill Bruford's work can sometimes be pretty spectacular. mg From mgzl at tlen.pl Sat Jun 12 03:56:44 2004 From: mgzl at tlen.pl (Marcin G) Date: Sun Jun 13 03:53:19 2004 Subject: Drummers... and a bit of Eskelin DVD References: <20040612174021.97508.qmail@web41510.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003501c45063$921ec150$bccca8c0@m65> Bill Bruford's work can sometimes be pretty spectacular. mg From mgzl at tlen.pl Sat Jun 12 03:56:52 2004 From: mgzl at tlen.pl (Marcin G) Date: Sun Jun 13 03:53:34 2004 Subject: Drummers... and a bit of Eskelin DVD References: <20040612174021.97508.qmail@web41510.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003601c45063$9a5d0bb0$bccca8c0@m65> Bill Bruford's work can sometimes be pretty spectacular. mg From rladew at verizon.net Sun Jun 13 06:02:18 2004 From: rladew at verizon.net (RICHARD LADEW) Date: Sun Jun 13 06:02:09 2004 Subject: best recorded music / albums.... Message-ID: <000201c4513e$472adc70$2f01a8c0@Ladew> So here's a completely subjective list where I have grossly mislooked 99.999999999 all great recordings of all times, a 10 minute exercise in futility (in no particular order): . Stevie Wonder "Innervisions" :Ever Since I saw Spike Lee's "Jungle Fever" crackhouse montage w/ Samuel L and Wesley Snipes when I was 14 in high school, I still get a chill up my spine whenever I hear the MOOG in "Livin For The City" . Ornette Coleman "Shape Of Jazz to Come" (Lonely Woman in particular, but anything from this album will do) . John Zorn: The Big Gundown . Public Enemy: "Fight The Power" . 2 way tie: Minor Threat discography and Fugazi's 13 songs ("Filler" and "Give Me The Shot" come to mind, but again most things on these recordings will do nicely) . Albert Ayler: "Ghosts" (Spiritual Unity Version) . Bad Brains "Sailin On" . Geri Allen's version of "For All We Know" from the Drugstore Cowboy title sequence . Angelo Badalamenti's score to Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me . Naked City's version of Morricone's The Sicilian Clan . Shellac "The Crow" (Bob Weston, Todd Trainer and Steve Albini going ape shit. Priceless) . Most recorded versions of Stardust (Im a sucker for this tune) Lets see here: John Coltrane (on a Prestige recording I believe), Louis Armstrong, Doc Cheateam / Nicholas Payton, Willie Nelson, The Doo Wop version from Scorsese's Goodfellas) . Morricone's O..S.T's for the Big Gundown and The Exorcist II (steal beg or borrow the overseas reissue cd of this. Its awesome!) . Black Flag :Everything Went Black (All of the collected stuff pre Rollins era.. Its not my imagination. I've got a gun at my back!!!) That'll do for right now. I guess Ive been thinking about movies a lot lately Rich Ladew rladew@verizon.net From dimension at tin.it Sun Jun 13 11:42:13 2004 From: dimension at tin.it (dimension@tin.it) Date: Sun Jun 13 11:42:18 2004 Subject: drummers..... Message-ID: <40C655840000525A@ims2f.cp.tin.it> i think the best drummer today is MORGAN AGREN.... listen his work with -frederik thordendal- on the amazin -sol niger within- album.... that's free jazz death metal!!!! maybe he is one of the most technical drummer ever!!! others: TONY WILLIAMS JOEY BARON BRANN DAILOR(mastodon) PETE SANDOVAL(morbid angel) BRIAN MANTIA "BRAIN" JEROME BRAILEY JIM BLACK JOHN LONSTREGH(origin,skinless) TATSUYA YOSHIDA(ruins) THOMAS HAAKE (meshuggah) DAVID MURRAY(estradasphere) DANNY CAREY(tool) NEIL PEART(rush) GIULIO CAPIOZZO(area) BILL BRUFORD and many others....(too hard to mention all!) From thesubtlebody at yahoo.com Sun Jun 13 19:34:57 2004 From: thesubtlebody at yahoo.com (K. Scott Handley) Date: Sun Jun 13 19:35:02 2004 Subject: kaoru abe questions Message-ID: <20040614013457.24384.qmail@web50906.mail.yahoo.com> 1. Some time ago, it seems that someone on the list posted a link to a website selling a box set of Kaoru Abe material, possibly on cdr, and almost certainly _not_ the LIVE AT GAYA series released by DIW, so possibly bootleg material. Does anyone know about this? I'd appreciate comments on these recordings, or at least a link to the distributor. 2. Is there a North American dsitributor for DIW that still might have their Abe series? Those individual cds were in print, or at least available, only a year ago, now most of them have evaporated, and it seems DIW might not be selling their cds in America anymore. Any help would be appreciated. (Downtown Music Gallery only has a couple of the Abe issues.) Many thanks, -----s __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From bodekkc at yahoo.com Mon Jun 14 09:43:48 2004 From: bodekkc at yahoo.com (Ken Bodek) Date: Mon Jun 14 09:43:54 2004 Subject: Drummers... (and a bit of Terry Bozzio) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040614154348.71249.qmail@web53708.mail.yahoo.com> Another one to mention is who I'm listening to right now, Bobby Previte. His playing may not be for everyone since he has a tendency to "take over" the band but he is amazing. Very powerful and precise drumming. Gerry Hemingway would be another of my favorites. Didn't get into him as much until I saw DrumBassBone live, they were amazing, all 3 of them. ===== Ken My DAT List: http://www.tapercities.com/Jambands/bodekkc/datlist.html My CDR List: http://www.tapercities.com/Jambands/bodekkc/cdrlist.html From wwschonb at artsci.wustl.edu Mon Jun 14 12:52:00 2004 From: wwschonb at artsci.wustl.edu (William W. Schonbein) Date: Mon Jun 14 12:52:07 2004 Subject: NZC: trapped in phoenix, az Message-ID: Hi folks, I'm trapped in Phoenix, AZ (where the average age seems to be 60 ;), until later this week. Does anyone know of any decent (used) cd stores in town that deal in jazz / improv / rock / pop ? Thanks, whit From newgrange at newgrangemedia.com Mon Jun 14 14:57:31 2004 From: newgrange at newgrangemedia.com (Jim Flannery) Date: Mon Jun 14 14:58:07 2004 Subject: The best music ever recorded? In-Reply-To: <491bf0db04061216563e34f3c2@mail.gmail.com> References: <000301c450aa$318f8c10$2f01a8c0@Ladew> <491bf0db04061216563e34f3c2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <11887368308.20040614135731@newgrangemedia.com> Saturday, June 12, 2004, 4:56:14 PM, one spoke: BA> There's a fun set up of lists up at Counterpunch right now: BA> http://www.counterpunch.org/albums.html Wow, those guys are OLD. -- Jim Flannery newgrange@newgrangemedia.com http://www.newgrangemedia.com/pii np: Ludicra, "Tomorrow Held in Scorn" nr: Harry Crosby, _Shadows of the Sun_ From andrewm at mail.selc.com.au Mon Jun 14 18:03:32 2004 From: andrewm at mail.selc.com.au (Andrew Mortensen) Date: Mon Jun 14 17:59:03 2004 Subject: Drummers... (and a bit of Terry Bozzio) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001a01c4526c$32b9f5d0$dc01a8c0@AndrewMort> the dude from the meters Billy Martin (mmw) Tomas Haake (meshuggah) Dave Lombardo (slayer, fantomas) kenny wollesen Sly Dunbar Derek Roddy (death metal drumming) Phil Rudd(?) AC/DC (SOLID AS A ROCK!!) + the dudes you mentioned... Andrew -----Original Message----- From: zorn-list-bounces+andrewm=mail.selc.com.au@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:zorn-list-bounces+andrewm=mail.selc.com.au@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of patRice Sent: Sunday, 13 June 2004 12:30 AM To: zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Drummers... (and a bit of Terry Bozzio) Hi y'all... I've been a drummer for most of my life, and now my little brother is getting into it. He asked me which essential drummers he should check out. I think it's been discussed in the past, but I'm sure in the meantime some of you have got some new input/ ideas. Of course I recommended some of the guys I admire: Tony Williams, Joey Baron, Elvin Jones, Boris Williams (ex The Cure), Mike Portnoy (Dream Theater), Terry Bozzio (btw: check out some of his mental solo videos here: http://www.vicfirth.com/artists/bozzio/mediaframe.html ); and some people I have heard you talk about like Hamid Drake and Susie Ibarra. Any more ideas? (Looking forward to your replies, since they are always helpful and interesting!) patRice np: Terry Bozzio, Drawing The Circle nr: Haruki Murakami, The Wind-Up Bird Chronicle _______________________________________________ zorn-list mailing list zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage below http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list From andrewm at mail.selc.com.au Mon Jun 14 18:12:19 2004 From: andrewm at mail.selc.com.au (Andrew Mortensen) Date: Mon Jun 14 18:07:44 2004 Subject: Drummers... (and a bit of Terry Bozzio) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001b01c4526d$6de084c0$dc01a8c0@AndrewMort> Cyro's talent somehow stands apart from the rest for me too From andrewm at mail.selc.com.au Mon Jun 14 18:31:40 2004 From: andrewm at mail.selc.com.au (Andrew Mortensen) Date: Mon Jun 14 18:27:03 2004 Subject: Drummers... (and a bit of Terry Bozzio) In-Reply-To: <20040613021833.3fdd1fbe@laptop> Message-ID: <002a01c45270$20e8a9b0$dc01a8c0@AndrewMort> also i forgot Tatsuya Yoshida (ruins) & Tony Buck (necks, peril, kletka red) & the guys in Ground Zero (Masahiro Uemura, Yasuhiro Yoshigaki) and Michael Walden (jeff beck's Wired, Blow by Blow, Santana's Amigos) & Mike Clark (headhunters) also numbers of session dudes from the old days 60, 70s etc on all the soul stuff like Curtis, Al Green, James Brown, Bacharach, Tom Jones etc etc -----Original Message----- From: zorn-list-bounces+andrewm=mail.selc.com.au@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:zorn-list-bounces+andrewm=mail.selc.com.au@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tim Blechmann Sent: Sunday, 13 June 2004 10:19 AM To: zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: Drummers... (and a bit of Terry Bozzio) the saxophonist assif tsahar played with nearly every good drummer ... hamid drake, sunny murray, rashid ali, jim black, susie ibarra, paul lovens, tatsuya nakatani ... an amazing list ... cheers... -- Tim mailto:TimBlechmann@gmx.de ICQ: 96771783 -- The only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn, like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars and in the middle you see the blue centerlight pop and everybody goes "Awww!" Jack Kerouac _______________________________________________ zorn-list mailing list zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage below http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list From mpathos at hotmail.com Mon Jun 14 21:38:49 2004 From: mpathos at hotmail.com (Mike Pathos) Date: Mon Jun 14 21:38:58 2004 Subject: Israel Seeks to Preserve Masada Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/zorn-list/attachments/20040614/33fd30b0/attachment.html From andrewm at mail.selc.com.au Mon Jun 14 23:46:29 2004 From: andrewm at mail.selc.com.au (Andrew Mortensen) Date: Mon Jun 14 23:42:35 2004 Subject: Praxis sample credits Message-ID: <001201c4529c$1ba3c530$dc01a8c0@AndrewMort> heya #1. Has anyone ever seen anywhere the actual sample credits that have been used on any of the Praxis albums? or who did the sampling? I just brought this up now, because I'm listening to Malevolent Creations "The Ten Commandments" & just remembered they sampled quite a few parts of it on "Sacrifist". Then I remembered on "Transmutation" they also sampled Entombed, something from "Clandestine" & Morbid Angel's "Immortal Rites" & Napalm Death too I think. Also I've heard some parts on TV, like that percussion groove on an ad here in Oz & also waiting for the train, I saw an ad for something about & it was one of the loops from a groove tune on "Sacrifist"... so I'm wondering who does the sampling? Laswell? Buckethead? I just think it's very interesting to hear some death metal sampled & used the way they do, especially on "Transmutation" #2. what was the last thing Zorn & Laswell did? Praxis gig? "IAO"? #3. also, I'd like to see Mike Patton do some more work with Laswell, I liked the track "IAO".... Andrew n.p: Malevolent Creations - "The Ten Commandments" From richard at whitecloud.co.nz Tue Jun 15 00:32:01 2004 From: richard at whitecloud.co.nz (Richard Okeby) Date: Tue Jun 15 00:26:20 2004 Subject: Praxis sample credits In-Reply-To: <001201c4529c$1ba3c530$dc01a8c0@AndrewMort> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040615182908.023205e0@pop3.whitecloud.co.nz> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/zorn-list/attachments/20040615/ed969cc4/attachment.html From efrendv at yahoo.es Tue Jun 15 02:05:27 2004 From: efrendv at yahoo.es (=?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?=) Date: Tue Jun 15 02:05:38 2004 Subject: New Zorn album Message-ID: <20040615080527.73337.qmail@web41507.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I just saw the Koch site lists a new Zorn release scheduled for Sept. 21, called "Magick". I assume it will be chamber music or something close to "IAO"? I really hope so. Best, Efr?n del Valle ______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! lanza su nueva tecnolog?a de b?squedas ?te atreves a comparar? http://busquedas.yahoo.es From efrendv at yahoo.es Tue Jun 15 02:11:28 2004 From: efrendv at yahoo.es (=?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?=) Date: Tue Jun 15 02:11:33 2004 Subject: Praxis sample credits In-Reply-To: <001201c4529c$1ba3c530$dc01a8c0@AndrewMort> Message-ID: <20040615081128.74282.qmail@web41507.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, > > #2. what was the last thing Zorn & Laswell did? > Praxis gig? "IAO"? I guess it was the Painkiller show in last Sept. Zorn fest, which also included Patton. Best, Efr?n del Valle n.p: Atomic/School Days "Nuclear Assault Hall" (Okka) ______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! lanza su nueva tecnolog?a de b?squedas ?te atreves a comparar? http://busquedas.yahoo.es From thepagoon at yahoo.com Tue Jun 15 06:26:15 2004 From: thepagoon at yahoo.com (Richard Kamerman) Date: Tue Jun 15 06:27:12 2004 Subject: Praxis sample credits In-Reply-To: <20040615081128.74282.qmail@web41507.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040615122615.74463.qmail@web20308.mail.yahoo.com> > > #2. what was the last thing Zorn & Laswell did? > > Praxis gig? "IAO"? > > I guess it was the Painkiller show in last Sept. > Zorn > fest, which also included Patton. And Hamid Drake instead of Harris on drums while we're listing credits. I wasn't there but heard from a friend that the drummer shift allowed Laswell to take the dub elements of Painkiller a lot further while Patton's addition helped keep the aggressive edge from being lost. -Richard ===== ==== "Yesterday is history. Tomorrow is a mystery. And today? Today is a gift. That's why we call it the present." - Babatunde Olatunji - __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From thepagoon at yahoo.com Tue Jun 15 06:56:33 2004 From: thepagoon at yahoo.com (Richard Kamerman) Date: Tue Jun 15 06:56:51 2004 Subject: Drummers... (and a bit of Terry Bozzio) In-Reply-To: <001a01c4526c$32b9f5d0$dc01a8c0@AndrewMort> Message-ID: <20040615125633.13469.qmail@web20313.mail.yahoo.com> "The dude from the meters" would be Russell Batiste --- Andrew Mortensen wrote: > the dude from the meters > Billy Martin (mmw) > Tomas Haake (meshuggah) > Dave Lombardo (slayer, fantomas) > kenny wollesen > Sly Dunbar > Derek Roddy (death metal drumming) > Phil Rudd(?) AC/DC (SOLID AS A ROCK!!) > + the dudes you mentioned... > > Andrew > > -----Original Message----- > From: > zorn-list-bounces+andrewm=mail.selc.com.au@mailman.xmission.com > [mailto:zorn-list-bounces+andrewm=mail.selc.com.au@mailman.xmission.com] > On Behalf Of patRice > Sent: Sunday, 13 June 2004 12:30 AM > To: zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com > Subject: Drummers... (and a bit of Terry Bozzio) > > > > Hi y'all... > > I've been a drummer for most of my life, and now my > little brother is getting into it. > > He asked me which essential drummers he should check > out. > > I think it's been discussed in the past, but I'm > sure in > the meantime some of you have got some new input/ > ideas. > > Of course I recommended some of the guys I admire: > Tony Williams, Joey Baron, Elvin Jones, Boris > Williams > (ex The Cure), Mike Portnoy (Dream Theater), Terry > Bozzio > (btw: check out some of his mental solo videos here: > http://www.vicfirth.com/artists/bozzio/mediaframe.html > ); > and some people I have heard you talk about like > Hamid > Drake and Susie Ibarra. > > Any more ideas? (Looking forward to your replies, > since they are always helpful and interesting!) > > patRice > > np: Terry Bozzio, Drawing The Circle > nr: Haruki Murakami, The Wind-Up Bird Chronicle > > > _______________________________________________ > zorn-list mailing list > zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com > To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, > go to the webpage below > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list > > _______________________________________________ > zorn-list mailing list > zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com > To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, > go to the webpage below > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list > ===== ==== "Yesterday is history. Tomorrow is a mystery. And today? Today is a gift. That's why we call it the present." - Babatunde Olatunji - __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From seawes at allmusic.com Tue Jun 15 07:03:07 2004 From: seawes at allmusic.com (Sean Westergaard) Date: Tue Jun 15 07:05:31 2004 Subject: Drummers... (and a bit of Terry Bozzio) In-Reply-To: <20040615125633.13469.qmail@web20313.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: the original dude from the meters is joseph 'zigaboo' modeleste -----Original Message----- From: zorn-list-bounces+seawes=allmusic.com@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:zorn-list-bounces+seawes=allmusic.com@mailman.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Richard Kamerman Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 8:57 AM To: zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com Subject: RE: Drummers... (and a bit of Terry Bozzio) "The dude from the meters" would be Russell Batiste --- Andrew Mortensen wrote: > the dude from the meters > Billy Martin (mmw) > Tomas Haake (meshuggah) > Dave Lombardo (slayer, fantomas) > kenny wollesen > Sly Dunbar > Derek Roddy (death metal drumming) > Phil Rudd(?) AC/DC (SOLID AS A ROCK!!) > + the dudes you mentioned... > > Andrew > > -----Original Message----- > From: > zorn-list-bounces+andrewm=mail.selc.com.au@mailman.xmission.com > [mailto:zorn-list-bounces+andrewm=mail.selc.com.au@mailman.xmission.com] > On Behalf Of patRice > Sent: Sunday, 13 June 2004 12:30 AM > To: zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com > Subject: Drummers... (and a bit of Terry Bozzio) > > > > Hi y'all... > > I've been a drummer for most of my life, and now my > little brother is getting into it. > > He asked me which essential drummers he should check > out. > > I think it's been discussed in the past, but I'm > sure in > the meantime some of you have got some new input/ > ideas. > > Of course I recommended some of the guys I admire: > Tony Williams, Joey Baron, Elvin Jones, Boris > Williams > (ex The Cure), Mike Portnoy (Dream Theater), Terry > Bozzio > (btw: check out some of his mental solo videos here: > http://www.vicfirth.com/artists/bozzio/mediaframe.html > ); > and some people I have heard you talk about like > Hamid > Drake and Susie Ibarra. > > Any more ideas? (Looking forward to your replies, > since they are always helpful and interesting!) > > patRice > > np: Terry Bozzio, Drawing The Circle > nr: Haruki Murakami, The Wind-Up Bird Chronicle > > > _______________________________________________ > zorn-list mailing list > zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com > To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, > go to the webpage below > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list > > _______________________________________________ > zorn-list mailing list > zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com > To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, > go to the webpage below > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list > ===== ==== "Yesterday is history. Tomorrow is a mystery. And today? Today is a gift. That's why we call it the present." - Babatunde Olatunji - __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo _______________________________________________ zorn-list mailing list zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage below http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list From thepagoon at yahoo.com Tue Jun 15 07:31:38 2004 From: thepagoon at yahoo.com (Richard Kamerman) Date: Tue Jun 15 07:32:23 2004 Subject: Drummers... (and a bit of Terry Bozzio) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040615133138.82858.qmail@web20308.mail.yahoo.com> Damn. So close, yet so far. I'm slipping here. And to think: I've got a couple Meters discs sitting on the shelf right in front of my that I could have checked. --- Sean Westergaard wrote: > the original dude from the meters is joseph > 'zigaboo' modeleste > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: > zorn-list-bounces+seawes=allmusic.com@mailman.xmission.com > [mailto:zorn-list-bounces+seawes=allmusic.com@mailman.xmission.com]On > Behalf Of Richard Kamerman > Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 8:57 AM > To: zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com > Subject: RE: Drummers... (and a bit of Terry Bozzio) > > > "The dude from the meters" would be Russell Batiste > > --- Andrew Mortensen > wrote: > > the dude from the meters > > Billy Martin (mmw) > > Tomas Haake (meshuggah) > > Dave Lombardo (slayer, fantomas) > > kenny wollesen > > Sly Dunbar > > Derek Roddy (death metal drumming) > > Phil Rudd(?) AC/DC (SOLID AS A ROCK!!) > > + the dudes you mentioned... > > > > Andrew > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: > > > zorn-list-bounces+andrewm=mail.selc.com.au@mailman.xmission.com > > > [mailto:zorn-list-bounces+andrewm=mail.selc.com.au@mailman.xmission.com] > > On Behalf Of patRice > > Sent: Sunday, 13 June 2004 12:30 AM > > To: zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com > > Subject: Drummers... (and a bit of Terry Bozzio) > > > > > > > > Hi y'all... > > > > I've been a drummer for most of my life, and now > my > > little brother is getting into it. > > > > He asked me which essential drummers he should > check > > out. > > > > I think it's been discussed in the past, but I'm > > sure in > > the meantime some of you have got some new input/ > > ideas. > > > > Of course I recommended some of the guys I admire: > > Tony Williams, Joey Baron, Elvin Jones, Boris > > Williams > > (ex The Cure), Mike Portnoy (Dream Theater), Terry > > Bozzio > > (btw: check out some of his mental solo videos > here: > > > http://www.vicfirth.com/artists/bozzio/mediaframe.html > > ); > > and some people I have heard you talk about like > > Hamid > > Drake and Susie Ibarra. > > > > Any more ideas? (Looking forward to your replies, > > since they are always helpful and interesting!) > > > > patRice > > > > np: Terry Bozzio, Drawing The Circle > > nr: Haruki Murakami, The Wind-Up Bird Chronicle > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > zorn-list mailing list > > zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com > > To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription > Options, > > go to the webpage below > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > > zorn-list mailing list > > zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com > > To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription > Options, > > go to the webpage below > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list > > > > > ===== > ==== > "Yesterday is history. > Tomorrow is a mystery. > And today? Today is a gift. > That's why we call it the present." > - Babatunde Olatunji - > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile > phone. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo > > _______________________________________________ > zorn-list mailing list > zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com > To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, > go to the webpage below > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list > > ===== ==== "Yesterday is history. Tomorrow is a mystery. And today? Today is a gift. That's why we call it the present." - Babatunde Olatunji - __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From wwschonb at artsci.wustl.edu Tue Jun 15 07:43:08 2004 From: wwschonb at artsci.wustl.edu (William W. Schonbein) Date: Tue Jun 15 07:43:14 2004 Subject: Praxis sample credits In-Reply-To: <20040615122615.74463.qmail@web20308.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040615122615.74463.qmail@web20308.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 15 Jun 2004, Richard Kamerman wrote: > > > #2. what was the last thing Zorn & Laswell did? > > > Praxis gig? "IAO"? > > > > I guess it was the Painkiller show in last Sept. > > Zorn > > fest, which also included Patton. > > And Hamid Drake instead of Harris on drums while we're > listing credits. I wasn't there but heard from a > friend that the drummer shift allowed Laswell to take > the dub elements of Painkiller a lot further... 1. In case someone didn't know, Drake is a veteran of a number of reggae and dub bands in Chicago, which helps explain Richard's comment quoted above. Apologies if this has already been mentioned... 2. Speaking of Laswell and credits, isn't there a track off of Material's 'Hallucination Engine' that basically copies the bass/drum/guitar rhythm from Billy Cobham's 'red baron' off of Spectrum? I searched everywhere in the liner notes but couldn't find an acknowledgment. -whit > ===== > ==== > "Yesterday is history. > Tomorrow is a mystery. > And today? Today is a gift. > That's why we call it the present." > - Babatunde Olatunji - > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > _______________________________________________ > zorn-list mailing list > zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com > To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage below > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list > From seawes at allmusic.com Tue Jun 15 07:48:01 2004 From: seawes at allmusic.com (Sean Westergaard) Date: Tue Jun 15 07:49:20 2004 Subject: Praxis sample credits In-Reply-To: Message-ID: 2. Speaking of Laswell and credits, isn't there a track off of Material's 'Hallucination Engine' that basically copies the bass/drum/guitar rhythm from Billy Cobham's 'red baron' off of Spectrum? I searched everywhere in the liner notes but couldn't find an acknowledgment. YES!!! it's the one with william s. burroughs: words of advice for young people i actually played it on my radio show a week or so ago (from the 12"), and went running around the studio racking my brain as to what that sample was. i only identified it as billy cobham after i missed the segue. thanks whit! sean From shkin at shkin.com Tue Jun 15 09:10:30 2004 From: shkin at shkin.com (Peter Gannushkin) Date: Tue Jun 15 09:10:38 2004 Subject: New Zorn album In-Reply-To: <20040615080527.73337.qmail@web41507.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040615080527.73337.qmail@web41507.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <10510631726.20040615111030@shkin.com> Hi Efr?n, Knowing that Zorn just finished recording of the Necronomicon, I would think that it will be his chamber music record. But who knows. Tuesday, June 15, 2004, 4:05:27 AM, you wrote: EdV> I just saw the Koch site lists a new Zorn release EdV> scheduled for Sept. 21, called "Magick". I assume it EdV> will be chamber music or something close to "IAO"? I EdV> really hope so. -- All the best, Peter Gannushkin URL: http://downtownmusic.net/ From jcmartin at sonic.net Tue Jun 15 10:23:41 2004 From: jcmartin at sonic.net (JC Martin) Date: Tue Jun 15 10:27:57 2004 Subject: Drummers... References: <002a01c45270$20e8a9b0$dc01a8c0@AndrewMort> Message-ID: <003201c452f5$20085a60$ca40fea9@computer> I'm surprised no one has mentioned Bill Stewart. I don't think there's a more creative jazz drummer out there today, though his choice of projects doesn't always inspire me. Also, Alex Cline is amazing but unfortunately he doesn't get outside of Los Angeles much. -JC From ecstasymule at hotmail.com Tue Jun 15 11:40:53 2004 From: ecstasymule at hotmail.com (Kurt Gottschalk) Date: Tue Jun 15 11:41:02 2004 Subject: Radio Squidco: Embryology and the Gastro-Intestinal System Message-ID: Squidco received a parcel from Canada today, a reel-to-reel tape with a short note from our own Professor Brother Lucy. The note reads (in its entirety) as follows: Greetings: I've been spending some fascinating time at a Calvinist retreat up here in temperate Ontario doing some important research about which I'm very excited. I can't go into too much detail here, but it has to do with the genetic superiority of the gastro-intestinal system possessed by humans with the YY chromosome, a sort of positive interrelationship between the digestive and reproductive systems. The enclosed recording will clarify, but I beseech thee, do not play this until the appointed broadcast hour. I will be in touch soon, with further details of this exciting project. Yours utrly (sic) -Brother Lucy We at Squidco are slightly concerned about the viability of such research, but we've known the professor since he was playing open mikes in the midwest and will respect his wishes. Listeners in the Williamsburg, Brooklyn, area can tune in at 103.9 FM. Internet listeners can connect through http://screwmus.phpwebhosting.com/free103/freemenu.html _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From andrewm at mail.selc.com.au Tue Jun 15 18:28:14 2004 From: andrewm at mail.selc.com.au (Andrew Mortensen) Date: Tue Jun 15 18:23:54 2004 Subject: Drummers... (and a bit of Terry Bozzio) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002601c45338$d022c4b0$dc01a8c0@AndrewMort> that's the one! "Zigaboo"! the old-school instrumental Meters!!! -----Original Message----- From: zorn-list-bounces+andrewm=mail.selc.com.au@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:zorn-list-bounces+andrewm=mail.selc.com.au@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Sean Westergaard Sent: Tuesday, 15 June 2004 11:03 PM To: Richard Kamerman; zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com Subject: RE: Drummers... (and a bit of Terry Bozzio) the original dude from the meters is joseph 'zigaboo' modeleste -----Original Message----- From: zorn-list-bounces+seawes=allmusic.com@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:zorn-list-bounces+seawes=allmusic.com@mailman.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Richard Kamerman Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 8:57 AM To: zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com Subject: RE: Drummers... (and a bit of Terry Bozzio) "The dude from the meters" would be Russell Batiste --- Andrew Mortensen wrote: > the dude from the meters > Billy Martin (mmw) > Tomas Haake (meshuggah) > Dave Lombardo (slayer, fantomas) > kenny wollesen > Sly Dunbar > Derek Roddy (death metal drumming) > Phil Rudd(?) AC/DC (SOLID AS A ROCK!!) > + the dudes you mentioned... > > Andrew > > -----Original Message----- > From: > zorn-list-bounces+andrewm=mail.selc.com.au@mailman.xmission.com > [mailto:zorn-list-bounces+andrewm=mail.selc.com.au@mailman.xmission.com] > On Behalf Of patRice > Sent: Sunday, 13 June 2004 12:30 AM > To: zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com > Subject: Drummers... (and a bit of Terry Bozzio) > > > > Hi y'all... > > I've been a drummer for most of my life, and now my > little brother is getting into it. > > He asked me which essential drummers he should check > out. > > I think it's been discussed in the past, but I'm > sure in > the meantime some of you have got some new input/ > ideas. > > Of course I recommended some of the guys I admire: > Tony Williams, Joey Baron, Elvin Jones, Boris > Williams > (ex The Cure), Mike Portnoy (Dream Theater), Terry > Bozzio > (btw: check out some of his mental solo videos here: > http://www.vicfirth.com/artists/bozzio/mediaframe.html > ); > and some people I have heard you talk about like > Hamid > Drake and Susie Ibarra. > > Any more ideas? (Looking forward to your replies, > since they are always helpful and interesting!) > > patRice > > np: Terry Bozzio, Drawing The Circle > nr: Haruki Murakami, The Wind-Up Bird Chronicle > > > _______________________________________________ > zorn-list mailing list > zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com > To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, > go to the webpage below > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list > > _______________________________________________ > zorn-list mailing list > zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com > To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, > go to the webpage below > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list > ===== ==== "Yesterday is history. Tomorrow is a mystery. And today? Today is a gift. That's why we call it the present." - Babatunde Olatunji - __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo _______________________________________________ zorn-list mailing list zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage below http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list _______________________________________________ zorn-list mailing list zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage below http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list From wlt4 at mindspring.com Tue Jun 15 21:35:24 2004 From: wlt4 at mindspring.com (Lang Thompson) Date: Tue Jun 15 21:35:20 2004 Subject: Happy 100th Bloomsday! Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.1.20040615233503.01c6b950@pop.mindspring.com> and all the queer little streets and the pink and blue and yellow houses and the rosegardens and the jessamine and geraniums and cactuses and Gibraltar as a girl where I was a Flower of the mountain yes when I put the rose in my hair like the Andalusian girls used or shall I wear a red yes and how he kissed me under the Moorish wall and I thought well as well him as another and then I asked him with my eyes to ask again yes and then he asked me would I yes to say yes my mountain flower and first I put my arms around him yes and drew him down to me so he could feel my breasts all perfume yes and his heart was going like mad and yes I said yes I will Yes. From mgzl at tlen.pl Mon Jun 14 19:58:00 2004 From: mgzl at tlen.pl (Marcin G) Date: Tue Jun 15 22:59:33 2004 Subject: Praxis sample credits References: Message-ID: <002d01c4527c$3074a670$bccca8c0@m65> > 2. Speaking of Laswell and credits, isn't there a track off of Material's > 'Hallucination Engine' that basically copies the bass/drum/guitar rhythm > from Billy Cobham's 'red baron' off of Spectrum? I searched everywhere in > the liner notes but couldn't find an acknowledgment. I'm pretty sure that it's not copying, just sampling. the sound is identical mg From pm.carey at utoronto.ca Wed Jun 16 01:32:30 2004 From: pm.carey at utoronto.ca (Patrick Carey) Date: Wed Jun 16 01:32:42 2004 Subject: Non-Zorn SALE: Muslimgauze, Evan Parker, Hession/Wilkinson/Fell Message-ID: ** All PRICES in US$ (or equiv. GBP, EURO etc.) ** ** AIR MAIL POSTAGE depends on DESTINATION ** Reasonable offers accepted. Sorry, no PayPal. $12 -- Hession, Wilkinson, Fell - "Foom! Foom!" UK CD (Bruce's Fingers: BF05) 1992 [Scorching 54 min. debut "studio" session from three top UK free players: Paul Hession: drums, percussion, Alan Wilkinson: soprano, alto & baritone sax, Simon H. Fell: double bass. NEW copy.] $40 -- Muslimgauze - "Mullah Said" HOL CD (Staalplaat: MUSLIMLIM018) 1998 [Numbered limited edition of 1000 in subscription issue digipak (slightly worn, mostly on edges). 6 tracks. Out of print.] $35 -- Muslimgauze - "Jaagherd Zarb (Mort Aux Vaches)" HOL CD (Staalplaat) 1998 [Limited edition of 1000 in three panel, fold-out cover "VPRO: De Avonden" commission series. Slightly worn, and possibly missing metal fastener. Out of print.] $ 8 -- Parker, Evan - "Chicago Solo" US CD (Okka: OD12017) 1997 [Lovely, 60 minute, 1995 session for solo TENOR sax from this British master, and first for the instrument after eight solo outings for soprano sax. NEW copy in sturdy, gatefold Okka mini-LP sleeve with full artwork.] -Patrick pm.carey@utoronto.ca From Sean_Murphy at npd.com Wed Jun 16 08:17:57 2004 From: Sean_Murphy at npd.com (Sean Murphy) Date: Wed Jun 16 08:18:04 2004 Subject: Happy 100th Bloomsday! Message-ID: http://www.bway.net/~hunger/ulysses.html >From Hunger smells an opportunity when we step in it. Herewith, our stripped-down, revved-up version of Joyce's great work, which we, with one eye on the marketplace, have called Ulysses for Dummies. Now you can thrill to the discussion of Shakespeare in chapter 9; weep with Simon Dedalus at Dignam's funeral in chapter 6; frolic with Bloom and Stephen in chapter 15's dreamscape of Nighttown; and join in Molly's optimistic vindication of the world in chapter 18. And it's in color, thanks to the 16-color palette of Windows Paintbox! Those with Netscape Navigator 2.0 have another (quite moving!) surprise. -----Original Message----- From: zorn-list-bounces+sean_murphy=npd.com@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:zorn-list-bounces+sean_murphy=npd.com@mailman.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Lang Thompson Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 11:35 PM To: zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Happy 100th Bloomsday! and all the queer little streets and the pink and blue and yellow houses and the rosegardens and the jessamine and geraniums and cactuses and Gibraltar as a girl where I was a Flower of the mountain yes when I put the rose in my hair like the Andalusian girls used or shall I wear a red yes and how he kissed me under the Moorish wall and I thought well as well him as another and then I asked him with my eyes to ask again yes and then he asked me would I yes to say yes my mountain flower and first I put my arms around him yes and drew him down to me so he could feel my breasts all perfume yes and his heart was going like mad and yes I said yes I will Yes. _______________________________________________ zorn-list mailing list zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage below http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list From efrendv at yahoo.es Thu Jun 17 04:44:01 2004 From: efrendv at yahoo.es (=?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?=) Date: Thu Jun 17 04:44:05 2004 Subject: Ribot live in Spain Message-ID: <20040617104401.50082.qmail@web41506.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, Ribot is coming to Spain on July 1st with Los Cubanos Postizos w/ Joe Bataan. I don't know anything about this singer/keyboardist. Has anyone seen them together live? I'll go anyway but it's good to know what to expect in some cases. They're performing at the infamous Forum de les Cultures in Barcelona. A wise choice considering that the band defines itself as a "fake ethnicity"! Best, Efr?n del Valle n.p: V.V.A.A. "I remember Syria" (Sublime Frequencies) ______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! lanza su nueva tecnolog?a de b?squedas ?te atreves a comparar? http://busquedas.yahoo.es From abductor77 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 17 09:41:52 2004 From: abductor77 at yahoo.com (Jorge Gallegos) Date: Thu Jun 17 09:41:56 2004 Subject: Ribot live in Spain In-Reply-To: <20040617104401.50082.qmail@web41506.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040617154152.71476.qmail@web51608.mail.yahoo.com> Joe Bataan is a Boogaloo master from the 60's-70's Nuyorican Latin Soul days. Once a gang leader, legend says he had an epiphany while serving time in prison to learn to play the piano in order to keep himself out of trouble. He succeeded and built upon a style that merged elements of Black American Soul and Funk with a Latin beat. Better known as a singer, he later turned to disco as a source with less favourable results and picked up on early rap as an influence too. There are some superb compilations on the Harmless and Soul Jazz labels that cover these periods with some pretty juicy Bataan tracks. Haven't heard his collaboration with Ribot and the Postizos but it sure has the potential to be pure dynamite. Efren, put on your dancing shoes for this one. Efrén del Valle wrote: Hi, Ribot is coming to Spain on July 1st with Los Cubanos Postizos w/ Joe Bataan. I don't know anything about this singer/keyboardist. Has anyone seen them together live? I'll go anyway but it's good to know what to expect in some cases. They're performing at the infamous Forum de les Cultures in Barcelona. A wise choice considering that the band defines itself as a "fake ethnicity"! Best, Efrén del Valle n.p: V.V.A.A. "I remember Syria" (Sublime Frequencies) ______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! lanza su nueva tecnología de búsquedas ¿te atreves a comparar? http://busquedas.yahoo.es _______________________________________________ zorn-list mailing list zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage below http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/zorn-list/attachments/20040617/6d2c2031/attachment.htm From efrendv at yahoo.es Thu Jun 17 11:41:03 2004 From: efrendv at yahoo.es (=?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?=) Date: Thu Jun 17 11:41:08 2004 Subject: Ribot live in Spain In-Reply-To: <20040617154152.71476.qmail@web51608.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040617174103.43874.qmail@web41508.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks Jorge! He certainly looks like a promising character and I enjoyed the Postizos concert a lot some years ago. I'll grease my hips for the ocasion! :-) Best, Efr?n del Valle n.p: V.V.A.A "Radio Java" (Sublime Frequencies) --- Jorge Gallegos escribi?: > Joe Bataan is a Boogaloo master from the 60's-70's > Nuyorican Latin Soul days. Once a gang leader, > legend says he had an epiphany while serving time in > prison to learn to play the piano in order to keep > himself out of trouble. He succeeded and built upon > a style that merged elements of Black American Soul > and Funk with a Latin beat. Better known as a > singer, he later turned to disco as a source with > less favourable results and picked up on early rap > as an influence too. There are some superb > compilations on the Harmless and Soul Jazz labels > that cover these periods with some pretty juicy > Bataan tracks. Haven't heard his collaboration with > Ribot and the Postizos but it sure has the potential > to be pure dynamite. Efren, put on your dancing > shoes for this one. > > Efr?n del Valle wrote: Hi, > > Ribot is coming to Spain on July 1st with Los > Cubanos > Postizos w/ Joe Bataan. I don't know anything about > this singer/keyboardist. Has anyone seen them > together > live? I'll go anyway but it's good to know what to > expect in some cases. They're performing at the > infamous Forum de les Cultures in Barcelona. A wise > choice considering that the band defines itself as a > "fake ethnicity"! > > Best, > > Efr?n del Valle > n.p: V.V.A.A. "I remember Syria" (Sublime > Frequencies) > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! lanza su nueva tecnolog?a de b?squedas > ?te atreves a comparar? > http://busquedas.yahoo.es > > _______________________________________________ > zorn-list mailing list > zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com > To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, > go to the webpage below > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. ______________________________________________ Renovamos el Correo Yahoo!: ?100 MB GRATIS! Nuevos servicios, m?s seguridad http://correo.yahoo.es From aghemo at yahoo.com Sat Jun 19 11:27:08 2004 From: aghemo at yahoo.com (luca aghemo) Date: Sat Jun 19 11:27:14 2004 Subject: zorn in milan: with movies Message-ID: <20040619172708.78988.qmail@web41210.mail.yahoo.com> Hi everybody for all those interested JZ 's electric masada will be in Milan Italy on Tuesday june 29th at Teatro dal Verme and they will be playing through or on some little movies chosen by the man himself. For more informations: http://musica.lospettacolo.it/articolo.asp?comando=id&id=33730 and http://temi.provincia.milano.it/Milanesiana/giorno_29giugno.html and http://www.dalverme.org please note that on some sites the gig is due at Teatro Strehler and not Dal Verme, but IT IS at Dal Verme as checked directly by phone. ciao l. From lalouche48 at hotmail.com Sat Jun 19 08:57:34 2004 From: lalouche48 at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?la_louche_qui_fait_d=E9border_le_vase_!?=) Date: Sat Jun 19 14:54:50 2004 Subject: Bob Ostertag / Pierre Hebert dvd Message-ID: Hi, Did someone saw that dvd from Bob Ostertag and Pierre Hebert : Between science and garbage ? The advertising is very attractive ! Any comment about that work ? Take care. Manu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/zorn-list/attachments/20040619/08682d1f/attachment.html From nms240 at nyu.edu Sat Jun 19 15:28:10 2004 From: nms240 at nyu.edu (Nirav M Soni) Date: Sat Jun 19 15:28:19 2004 Subject: List O' Cds for Sale Message-ID: <839eaa835d53.835d53839eaa@homemail.nyu.edu> Good people: I have been charged with selling off a fair number of cds. This includes many by Henry Threadgill, Pauline Oliveros, Stars of the Lid, Bob Dylan, Bardo Pond, Gene Coleman, Stereolab, Evan Parker, Lull, Illusion of Safety and the like (and unlike.) You are encouraged to peruse the list here: http://homepages.nyu.edu/~nms240/salelist.htm And to please email me if you have any questions. Thanks! Nirav From ahairyscreaming at yahoo.com Sat Jun 19 17:36:17 2004 From: ahairyscreaming at yahoo.com (kev booyaka) Date: Sat Jun 19 17:36:24 2004 Subject: SY In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040619233617.23054.qmail@web51709.mail.yahoo.com> damn! i can't believe it's been 6 years since they released A Thousand Leaves. that's where i lost touch (SYR and collabo's NOT INCLUDED). during my 12 years of collecting music, sonic youth have been one of 3 obsessions for me. (melvins and cocteau twins being the other two). y'all can find a bunch of SY tabs on the nett under the name of a 'madsun' moniker scattered around somewhere on the nett. i was HOOKED! HOOKED i tell ya!!! i mean, who could come up with a tuning like CCEBGD?? i always wished they'd use that one more... (only used on 'disappearer' and 'the sprawl' as far as i know) hell, i've yet to hear NYC ghosts & flowers! puh! hold on guys! sonic youth geffen releases requires alot of time so, i think they're releasing too much in too short time (SYR records and collabo's INCLUDED) which is more loose and free form (suits me better). oh, was this ment to be personal thoughts on "Sonic Nurse"? hmm...well, i haven't heard it. ignore me :) -k PS! everybody should be picking up Noxagt "Iron Fist". i heard Brandsdal is good friends with Thurston Moore. have they done anything together, by the way??? on ecstatic peace perhaps? Julien Quint wrote: On Jun 7, 2004, at 11:40 PM, Efrén del Valle wrote: > This is my first listen and I played it at the office, > so my impressions aren't still built up. They're one > of my favorite bands ever but I'm a bit disappointed > so far. The O'Rourke production is really clean but I > liked it better on "NYC Ghosts & Flowers". The sound > is very cohesive, tight, but it's grounded in rock > music in some strange way, different from that on > "Murray Street", just to name a preceeding > straightforward SY work. I'll have to wait for more > listenings to see if this sinks in, but I'm concerned > that the melodies won't appeal me that much. God, too > many "buts"... Give it more time. It is quite a laid-back album, and not as good as "Murray Street" (there are a few floating moments); the sequencing is a little strange, and the first few tracks don't flow very well. But (a good "but") there are many good songs, and on the whole it is very enjoyable. It could have used a little editing as some songs drag on a little; at one hour, it is a little too long. I like it very much though, and go back to it with great pleasure. Julien _______________________________________________ zorn-list mailing list zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage below http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/zorn-list/attachments/20040619/7d81b7e3/attachment.html From j4.porter at student.qut.edu.au Sat Jun 19 19:31:36 2004 From: j4.porter at student.qut.edu.au (j4.porter@student.qut.edu.au) Date: Sat Jun 19 19:31:42 2004 Subject: Man Ray/Naked City Message-ID: Does anybody the know the name of the Man Ray photograph on the front cover of "Radio" (the one with the mask and handcuffs). John From Fastian at aol.com Sat Jun 19 20:26:23 2004 From: Fastian at aol.com (Fastian@aol.com) Date: Sat Jun 19 20:26:31 2004 Subject: Bob Ostertag / Pierre Hebert dvd Message-ID: I << Hi, Did someone saw that dvd from Bob Ostertag and Pierre Hebert : Between science and garbage ? The advertising is very attractive ! Any comment about that work ? Take care. Manu >> I saw it courtesy of Netflix (they also have Bookshelf). It is an hourlong concert where the animation as well as the music is improvised. The video and audio quality are excellent. Most of the time the image you see is the screen that the audience sees, which is the way it should be. They also cut to show you how the sounds and visuals are being made which is also enlightening. It starts off slow but slowly gets more dense as more layers of sound and animation are added. If I understand correctly, most of the animation and images are created on the spot but they also add images to the mix from previous concerts. This is from a series of antiwar concerts they performed at so a lot of the images are antwar, anti-Bush, etc. I really enjoyed it and recommend hearing it really loud through your stereo. Cheers, John Threadgould From wwschonb at artsci.wustl.edu Sat Jun 19 21:14:55 2004 From: wwschonb at artsci.wustl.edu (William W. Schonbein) Date: Sat Jun 19 21:14:59 2004 Subject: Man Ray/Naked City In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: you might be able to find out here: http://www.manray-photo.com/ go to the search page and maybe it will turn up... I couldn't find it, but i just quickly scanned the list of potraits of women. -whit On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 j4.porter@student.qut.edu.au wrote: > Does anybody the know the name of the Man Ray photograph on > the front cover of "Radio" (the one with the mask and > handcuffs). > > John > > _______________________________________________ > zorn-list mailing list > zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com > To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage below > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list > From shinnin at web.de Sun Jun 20 06:04:31 2004 From: shinnin at web.de (Karl A. Hribernik) Date: Sun Jun 20 06:04:33 2004 Subject: Man Ray/Naked City In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40D57D4F.8050003@web.de> According to "Apeture Masters of Photography / Man Ray" (K?nemann 1997) its "Woman with Mask and Handcuffs" (1929). You were close! Karl William W. Schonbein wrote: >you might be able to find out here: http://www.manray-photo.com/ > >go to the search page and maybe it will turn up... I couldn't find it, but >i just quickly scanned the list of potraits of women. > >-whit > >On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 j4.porter@student.qut.edu.au wrote: > > > >>Does anybody the know the name of the Man Ray photograph on >>the front cover of "Radio" (the one with the mask and >>handcuffs). >> >>John >> >>_______________________________________________ >>zorn-list mailing list >>zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com >>To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage below >>http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >zorn-list mailing list >zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com >To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage below >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list > > > From stephen.fruitman at idehist.umu.se Mon Jun 21 01:27:24 2004 From: stephen.fruitman at idehist.umu.se (Stephen Fruitman) Date: Mon Jun 21 01:29:06 2004 Subject: CDs for Sale Cheap Message-ID: Time for a late spring cleaning. I have dozens of CDs, the vast majority of which are in mint condition, for sale at $3 apiece, eight for twenty dollars. Plus a few bits of vinyl and a handful of rarities at ever-so-slightly higher prices. If you are interested in having a gander at what?s on offer, please get in touch with me off-list. Sales will be dealt with on a first-come, first-serve basis. Well-concealed cash in an envelope only and I?ll take care of the postage. Regards, Stephen (Pardon any cross-posts.) -- Stephen Fruitman Dept of Historical Studies Umea University SE-901 87 Umea Sweden -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/zorn-list/attachments/20040621/c2542ec7/attachment.htm From morakanabad at yahoo.ca Tue Jun 22 02:02:46 2004 From: morakanabad at yahoo.ca (Taylor McLaren) Date: Tue Jun 22 02:02:48 2004 Subject: CDs for sale, etc. Message-ID: <8BED4813-C422-11D8-AC80-000393DCFCFA@yahoo.ca> Well, a couple of other people are doing it, so here's another list of stuff that I'd like to get out of the apartment: http://cwoweb2.bai.ne.jp/~jge01101/ Also, in the interest of saying something that people might actually care about, the CD shop at japanimprov.com is finally available in English (more or less: they're only selling Japanese releases this way at present, which isn't much of a limitation for most potential customers), and their service is pretty darned speedy... I placed an order on Friday morning, and it was delivered to my door in Osaka on Saturday night. Finally, thank you for not being the Coil list. -me From selvig at earthlink.net Tue Jun 22 12:35:04 2004 From: selvig at earthlink.net (Chris Selvig) Date: Tue Jun 22 12:30:25 2004 Subject: SY In-Reply-To: <20040619233617.23054.qmail@web51709.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040619233617.23054.qmail@web51709.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040622110447.0294fa90@pop.earthlink.net> > >i mean, who could come up with a tuning like CCEBGD?? i always wished >they'd use that one - country pedal steel players used all kinds of crazy >tunings, and early blues guitarists did as well. > >PS! everybody should be picking up Noxagt "Iron Fist". i heard Brandsdal >is good friends with Thurston Moore. have they done anything together, by >the way??? on ecstatic peace perhaps? - "Iron Point" is quite good, with >the exception of their folky forays - I didn't care for the previous one >so much. Ecstatic Peace put out a Brandsdal solo LP, but I don't think >Thurston has collaborated w/him. I'm quite fond of Brandsdal's solo work, >quite different from Noxagt's rock - since you like the SYR stuff, you'd >probably be OK with Brandsdal's experimental work. I'd start with the CD >on Corpus Hermeticum, "Freedom Waaaohwaaaoh," probably the only one you >can easily track down & his best solo work anyway. -Chris From squeegeemedia at comcast.net Tue Jun 22 13:18:34 2004 From: squeegeemedia at comcast.net (squeegee media) Date: Tue Jun 22 13:21:21 2004 Subject: THRUSTER! (new trio feat. Tim Young - free mp3 / 6-25-04 show info) Message-ID: <00d801c4588d$fc22f940$12631318@attbi.com> Hi - I think this new adventurous AND rockin' "power trio" might be of great interest to many of you (file under -- Prog-Jazz Art-Rock). By all means check out their free full-length mp3 (link found below) and if you live in or near Seattle note that they are playing LIVE this Friday, June 25 (a rare appearance - only their 2nd Seattle show) also note that guitarist Timothy Young will also be playing with jazz violin legend Michael White & his group on July 1st Here is an abridged version of a recent THRUSTER! release - ======= THRUSTER! (feat. guitarist TIMOTHY YOUNG, bassist KAVEH RASTEGAR and drummer MATT CHAMBERLAIN) WILL BE APPEARING LIVE ON FRIDAY, JUNE 25, 2004, AT THE LO_FI PERFORMANCE GALLERY IN SEATTLE, WA "Genius, pure freakin' genius." - Ron Swarner, Weekly Volcano Editor (Tacoma, WA) April 1, 2004 (Seattle, WA) - THRUSTER!, one of the most exceptional new bands [file under: jazz-prog art-rock] to emerge from the Seattle music scene in recent years, is set to perform its second Seattle concert on June 25, 2004 -- * EVENT DETAILS * WHAT: THRUSTER! (2 sets!) plus -- Young & Moore (short opening & intermission sets) WHERE: lo_fi performance gallery 429B Eastlake Ave East (at Republican) http://www.lofiseattle.org WHEN: Friday, June 25, 2004 - doors 9pm / show 10pm COST: $8 at the door / 21+ (beer/wine/sake) * THRUSTER! MP3 DOWNLOAD LINK -- http://snipurl.com/6xqm * Currently recording a full length follow-up to their very well received debut EP (released 4/1/04 - note the MP3 download link above!), THRUSTER! is excited to get out and crowd-test their many new songs. THRUSTER! is also quite pleased that a live CD of their electrifying Seattle debut (4/2/04) is now available from Kufala Records (http://www.kufala.com). * SELECTED MUSICAL CREDITS * [recorded and/or performed with, in no particular order] TIMOTHY YOUNG (guitar) -- The Youngs, Young & Moore, "V", Very Special Forces, Zony Mash, Sweeter Than The Day, Mylab, Wayne Horvitz, David Sylvian, Michael White (the jazz violin legend), Skerik, Crack Sabbath, etc. KAVEH RASTEGAR (bass) -- Kneebody, Dakah (Hip Hop Orchestra), Chali 2na (of Jurassic 5), Action Figure Party, Screaming Headless Torsos, Nels Cline, Carla Bozulich, Keaton Simmons (Maverick Records), etc. [note: Kaveh is based in Los Angeles] MATT CHAMBERLAIN (drums) -- Critters Buggin, Tori Amos, Fiona Apple, Bill Frisell, Elvis Costello, Brad Mehldau, David Bowie, Mick Jagger, Elton John, Pearl Jam, Aaron Neville, Stevie Nicks, Garbage, Macy Gray, Edie Brickell, etc. ======= Other upcoming concerts feat. Timothy Young of THRUSTER! -- Michael White Group - Thurs, July 1 @ The Rendezvous www.jewelboxtheater.com (fyi: more about jazz violin legend Michael White can be found via www.michaelwhiteviolin.com) -- Michael White/Timothy Young Duo - Tues & Wed, July 6 & 7 @ The Triple Door (Musicquarium) - www.thetripledoor.net From mhepp at xs4all.nl Wed Jun 23 10:55:16 2004 From: mhepp at xs4all.nl (Maarten Hepp) Date: Wed Jun 23 10:46:05 2004 Subject: french pop/rock encyclopedia? Message-ID: <1A5BEE16-C536-11D8-A0F3-000A9579FADA@xs4all.nl> Hello, I have been playing my Brigitte Fontaine CDs a lot lately. As I would like to know more about french popular music, I was wondering if there is a good encyclopedia of french pop and rock music? I do not really care which language it is in, as long as it has entries on people like Brigitte Fontaine, Boby Lapointe and other weird or avantgarde singers/bands (preferably next to entries on mainstream artists). Can anyone recommend a title? Maarten Hepp mhepp@xs4all.nl From tosh3 at earthlink.net Wed Jun 23 11:00:32 2004 From: tosh3 at earthlink.net (Tosh) Date: Wed Jun 23 11:01:44 2004 Subject: French Pop/Dictionary Message-ID: That's a very good question! Probably the closest thing one can find are the AMG all music Guides on the internet as well as smaller sites on the Net. But I for one would love to have such a volume! Once awhile you may want to check out my website time-to-time. Because when I have the chance I go via the net and book sources to find information about certain French artists. Also, are there any plans for a book on French pop/rock/avant music? -- Tosh Berman TamTam Books http://www.tamtambooks.com From gdedrick at ku.edu Wed Jun 23 17:37:09 2004 From: gdedrick at ku.edu (Dedrick, Greg Allen) Date: Wed Jun 23 17:37:14 2004 Subject: 50th Birthday Releases Message-ID: Does anyone know if there is a list of all of the perfomances that will be realeased by Tzadik? I know there is a listing of the perfomances from that month, but I assume they won't release them all. From ultimatefrog at comcast.net Wed Jun 23 19:45:10 2004 From: ultimatefrog at comcast.net (jim & nika) Date: Wed Jun 23 19:32:05 2004 Subject: French Pop/Dictionary Message-ID: peripherally related to the topic...music and miracles from French pop singer/philosopher Michel Marceau (Transparent): www.larockfondation.com check out the video! From igorr123 at hotmail.com Thu Jun 24 11:54:26 2004 From: igorr123 at hotmail.com (igorr 123) Date: Thu Jun 24 11:54:31 2004 Subject: El.masada on tv Message-ID: Wow... Yesterday night I finally saw great El.Masada performance on Mezzo. This is the first time I saw entire John Zorn concert on tv. What I saw before were only short fragments and highlights from some other J.Z projects. But this was just great one hour live action from Nancy 2003. Although the soun was not perfect I made an copy of the performance. They also showed some footage from the festival de Chantenay- Villedieu when Zorn was like 30 years old. He was there with Arto, but I'm not sure if they performed together, cause Zorn was performinf with his mouth pieces and duck calls, what I think was rather like "Clasic Guide to Strategy" then "Locus Solus". Televison in Holland really sucks. I don't know if this is the case in other countrys but here we don't have even one Really depressing.... _________________________________________________________________ Talk with your online friends with MSN Messenger http://messenger.msn.nl/ From efrendv at yahoo.es Thu Jun 24 12:54:46 2004 From: efrendv at yahoo.es (=?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?=) Date: Thu Jun 24 12:54:52 2004 Subject: A great online Radio Message-ID: <20040624185446.85775.qmail@web41510.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, Last Friday I discovered this online radio station: http://musicmavericks.publicradio.org/listening/ Perhaps you already knew it, but in case you didn't, there are great performances of works by Harrison, Reich, Riley, Feldman, Var?se, Ellington, Cowell, Cage, etc... plus interviews with Branca, Subotnick, Oliveros, Nancarrow, and a veeery long etcetera. Best, Efr?n del Valle n.p: Steve Reich "City Life" ______________________________________________ Renovamos el Correo Yahoo!: ?100 MB GRATIS! Nuevos servicios, m?s seguridad http://correo.yahoo.es From Samerivertwice at aol.com Thu Jun 24 15:13:23 2004 From: Samerivertwice at aol.com (Samerivertwice@aol.com) Date: Thu Jun 24 15:13:36 2004 Subject: Tickets galore for sale Message-ID: <142.2cdedf74.2e0c9df3@aol.com> All: Somehow, my subscription to this list lapsed, and I've no idea how to re-up, but I still have this address and am confident that this message will reach you regardless of it not reaching ME. Anyway, I just accepted a job offer to teach in FL and will be moving out of the northeast US as of August 1, so I now have to sell the tickets I've purchased for concerts in August and July (the latter because I am saving all my current job's vacation time for moving maneuvers). Anyhow, here's what I have: A pair of tickets to see Elvis Costello at Lincoln Center, NYC, on July 13 A pair of tickets to see Elvis Costello at Lincoln Center, NYC, on July 17 Weekend passes for two to the year's Newport Folk Festival in RI on the weekend of August 7-8. Lineup includes, among others, Wilco, Lucinda Williams, Doc Watson, Steve Earle. Weekend passes for two to the year's Newport Jazz Festival in RI on the weekend of August 14-15. Lineup includes, among others, ORNETTE COLEMAN (WHICH IS REASON ENOUGH TO ATTEND AND ALMOST TEMPTING ENOUGH FOR ME TO RESCIND MY ACCEPTANCE OF THE JOB OFFER), Dave Douglas, Dave Brubeck, Wayne Shorter, Dave Holland, etc. etc. etc. It's the 50th anniversary for Newport Jazz, so they're pulling out all stops and making it the biggest lineup ever. It kills me to miss it. Merely go to _www.festivalproductions.net_ (http://www.festivalproductions.net) for more details. Please contact me off-list if interested. Thanks, Tom PS: Anything going on in the Zornworld I should know about? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/zorn-list/attachments/20040624/6b20ae13/attachment.htm From efrendv at yahoo.es Fri Jun 25 09:29:02 2004 From: efrendv at yahoo.es (=?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?=) Date: Fri Jun 25 09:29:08 2004 Subject: Rhys Catham Question Message-ID: <20040625152902.43222.qmail@web41507.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, Knowing next to nothing about Catham's music, I was wondering if the boxset "An Angel Moves Too Fast to See" from 2002 would be a good entry to his work. The list of participants is astonishing. Thanks a lot in advance. Best, Efr?n del Valle n.p: Morton Subotnick "Silver Apples of the Moon/The Wild Bull" (Wergo) ______________________________________________ Renovamos el Correo Yahoo!: ?100 MB GRATIS! Nuevos servicios, m?s seguridad http://correo.yahoo.es From proussel at ichips.intel.com Fri Jun 25 11:06:33 2004 From: proussel at ichips.intel.com (Patrice L. Roussel) Date: Fri Jun 25 11:07:46 2004 Subject: Rhys Catham Question In-Reply-To: <20040625152902.43222.qmail@web41507.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200406251706.i5PH6XRr027783@plxc3714.pdx.intel.com> On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 17:29:02 +0200 (CEST) =?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?= wrote: > > Knowing next to nothing about Catham's music, I was > wondering if the boxset "An Angel Moves Too Fast to > See" from 2002 would be a good entry to his work. The > list of participants is astonishing. This is definitely the best and easiest way to get acquainted to Rhys' music! I was still a little bit disappointed that many of his compositions (spread over various compilations) did not make it on the box set, specially that a full CD is dedicated to "Two Gongs" (62 mn !). And also the excitement of a new composition ("Massacre On MacDougal Street"), which ended up to be "For Brass", still my favorite of his compositions, but not a new one like I had expected. But besides these minor disappointment (which can only affect a complete list kind of amateur), the box is highly recommended. Patrice. PS: still puzzled that the fantastic "For Brass" was renamed "Massacre on MacDougal Street". Since I was familiar with the latter for a while (the name was mentioned in a few books/articles over the past 20 yeats), how did the title "For Brass" end up being to be selected for the Moers record? PPS: also, surprisingly, the CD compilation from the 3xCD box set has an unreleased composition not available on the box ("Guitar Cetet"). From selvig at earthlink.net Fri Jun 25 13:13:05 2004 From: selvig at earthlink.net (Chris Selvig) Date: Fri Jun 25 13:08:29 2004 Subject: Rhys Catham Question In-Reply-To: <200406251706.i5PH6XRr027783@plxc3714.pdx.intel.com> References: <20040625152902.43222.qmail@web41507.mail.yahoo.com> <200406251706.i5PH6XRr027783@plxc3714.pdx.intel.com> Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20040625121145.0337d340@pop.earthlink.net> As Patrice semi-mentions, there's a single-Cd sampler for the box that's a cheaper place to check him out. At 10:06 AM 6/25/04, Patrice L. Roussel wrote: >On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 17:29:02 +0200 >(CEST) =?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?= wrote: > > > > Knowing next to nothing about Catham's music, I was > > wondering if the boxset "An Angel Moves Too Fast to > > See" from 2002 would be a good entry to his work. The > > list of participants is astonishing. > >This is definitely the best and easiest way to get acquainted to Rhys' >music! > >I was still a little bit disappointed that many of his compositions (spread >over various compilations) did not make it on the box set, specially that a >full CD is dedicated to "Two Gongs" (62 mn !). And also the excitement of a >new composition ("Massacre On MacDougal Street"), which ended up to be >"For Brass", still my favorite of his compositions, but not a new one like >I had expected. > >But besides these minor disappointment (which can only affect a complete list >kind of amateur), the box is highly recommended. > > Patrice. > >PS: still puzzled that the fantastic "For Brass" was renamed "Massacre on >MacDougal >Street". Since I was familiar with the latter for a while (the name was >mentioned >in a few books/articles over the past 20 yeats), how did the title "For >Brass" end >up being to be selected for the Moers record? > >PPS: also, surprisingly, the CD compilation from the 3xCD box set has an >unreleased >composition not available on the box ("Guitar Cetet"). > >_______________________________________________ >zorn-list mailing list >zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com >To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage below >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list From efrendv at yahoo.es Sat Jun 26 08:10:20 2004 From: efrendv at yahoo.es (=?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?=) Date: Sat Jun 26 08:10:25 2004 Subject: Rhys Catham Question In-Reply-To: <200406251706.i5PH6XRr027783@plxc3714.pdx.intel.com> Message-ID: <20040626141020.99527.qmail@web41505.mail.yahoo.com> Thank you guys! I'll probably choose the single album first and see if it does it for me. Best, Efr?n del Valle n.p: Sun Ra "The Solar-Myth Approach Vols. I & II" (Charly) --- "Patrice L. Roussel" escribi?: > > On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 17:29:02 +0200 (CEST) > =?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?= wrote: > > > > Knowing next to nothing about Catham's music, I > was > > wondering if the boxset "An Angel Moves Too Fast > to > > See" from 2002 would be a good entry to his work. > The > > list of participants is astonishing. > > This is definitely the best and easiest way to get > acquainted to Rhys' > music! > > I was still a little bit disappointed that many of > his compositions (spread > over various compilations) did not make it on the > box set, specially that a > full CD is dedicated to "Two Gongs" (62 mn !). And > also the excitement of a > new composition ("Massacre On MacDougal Street"), > which ended up to be > "For Brass", still my favorite of his compositions, > but not a new one like > I had expected. > > But besides these minor disappointment (which can > only affect a complete list > kind of amateur), the box is highly recommended. > > Patrice. > > PS: still puzzled that the fantastic "For Brass" was > renamed "Massacre on MacDougal > Street". Since I was familiar with the latter for a > while (the name was mentioned > in a few books/articles over the past 20 yeats), how > did the title "For Brass" end > up being to be selected for the Moers record? > > PPS: also, surprisingly, the CD compilation from the > 3xCD box set has an unreleased > composition not available on the box ("Guitar > Cetet"). > > _______________________________________________ > zorn-list mailing list > zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com > To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, > go to the webpage below > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list > ______________________________________________ Renovamos el Correo Yahoo!: ?100 MB GRATIS! Nuevos servicios, m?s seguridad http://correo.yahoo.es From thegrandguignol at yahoo.com Sun Jun 27 23:21:28 2004 From: thegrandguignol at yahoo.com (Matthew Garrington) Date: Sun Jun 27 23:21:42 2004 Subject: Hits of RD Burman Vol 2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c45ccf$c4939b10$0400a8c0@henry> Someone was asking about "Hits of RD Burman Vol 2" on http://store.nehaflix.com/. It's a compilation of music scenes from Indian movies dating back to at least the 1950s. While not for the faint of heart, I highly recommend it. The quality isn't always good (video or audio), but there are some truly incredible pieces. There's a lot of crap too, but the good stuff easily makes up for it. Besides, it's only $6.99 so you can't really go wrong. The new Secret Chiefs 3 "Book of Horizons" has changed my life by the way. Matt Garrington From efrendv at yahoo.es Mon Jun 28 13:29:52 2004 From: efrendv at yahoo.es (=?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?=) Date: Mon Jun 28 13:30:03 2004 Subject: off-topic: For Luca Aghemo (sorry) Message-ID: <20040628192952.93194.qmail@web41504.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Luca, Could you please get in touch with me off-list? I lost your e-mail! Best, Efr?n del Valle ______________________________________________ Renovamos el Correo Yahoo!: ?100 MB GRATIS! Nuevos servicios, m?s seguridad http://correo.yahoo.es From andrewm at mail.selc.com.au Mon Jun 28 19:56:57 2004 From: andrewm at mail.selc.com.au (Andrew Mortensen) Date: Mon Jun 28 19:52:38 2004 Subject: laswell vs. submerged In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <004001c45d7c$5c6901d0$dc01a8c0@AndrewMort> there's still no English updates for any Avant stuff, only Japanese. http://www.diskunion.co.jp/avant/index.html Andrew np: NIN - "Downward Spiral" -----Original Message----- From: doomride666 [mailto:doomride666@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, 29 June 2004 9:49 AM To: laswell@yahoogroups.com Subject: [laswell] laswell vs. submerged Just got this release on Avant..arrived today from dmg...I enjoyed it,while an odd combination it worked for me...the menu of the day is hard drum and bass w/ lots of fx and Laswell's bass lines and fill and sweeps and such...it's a strange release as it seems like something Bill would have put out in say 96 or 97...and it seems weird that it's on Avant(of course this is the label that has put out everything from Bucketheadland to Dreamspeed to Blind Idiot God---so maybe it's not so weird).Anyone else heard it or have any thoughts???? From efrendv at yahoo.es Tue Jun 29 07:11:36 2004 From: efrendv at yahoo.es (=?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?=) Date: Tue Jun 29 07:12:39 2004 Subject: D. Bailey book Message-ID: <20040629131136.13618.qmail@web41504.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, A moment ago I saw Ben Watson's book "Derek Bailey and the story of free improvisation". I know it's a very recent publication, but has anyone read it or started to read it at least? Any opinions? Is it worth the 32.00? (!!) they're asking for it? Thanks a lot in advance. Best, Efr?n del Valle n.p: Amplify 2002 ______________________________________________ Renovamos el Correo Yahoo!: ?100 MB GRATIS! Nuevos servicios, m?s seguridad http://correo.yahoo.es From bugaspard at yahoo.com Tue Jun 29 11:45:51 2004 From: bugaspard at yahoo.com (Uncle Gaspard) Date: Tue Jun 29 11:46:22 2004 Subject: DIW/Avant question Message-ID: <20040629174551.20830.qmail@web41501.mail.yahoo.com> Hi all I've been off list for a while. I noticed that the Forced Exposure website mentioned that "all Avant/DIW titles have recently been deleted and are no longer available". I looked at the archives to see if you all have been discussing this and couldn't see it. Does anyone have the scoop on this? I emailed Forced Exposure to no effect. I could as the DMG folks. Don't mean to either a: start a panic or b: bring up old news. thanks, ml. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From mgzl at tlen.pl Sun Jun 27 13:36:59 2004 From: mgzl at tlen.pl (Marcin G) Date: Tue Jun 29 13:30:09 2004 Subject: El.masada on tv References: Message-ID: <000601c45c7e$27717c40$bccca8c0@m65> > Yesterday night I finally saw great El.Masada performance on Mezzo. This is Yeah, i recorded it and watched it recently. Great performance. As mezzo tends to repeat the same show a few times, it is worth checking out. mg From patbor at lycos.com Wed Jun 30 02:56:56 2004 From: patbor at lycos.com (Patrick Borsarini) Date: Wed Jun 30 02:57:00 2004 Subject: Zorn in Milan, Italy Message-ID: <20040630085656.E656DC611C@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> great show last night in milan. it was the electric masada band improvising on the following movies among others: Ritual In Transfigured Time - Maya Deren Eaux D?Artifice - Kenneth Anger After the performance zorn was interviewed by an italian schmuck, a journalist. Zorn is a great artist with a very coherent set of ideas. in my own personal view this is what emergerd from the interview. i hope some other italian lister took notes and can give us a transcript of the interview. cheers,Patrick -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From efrendv at yahoo.es Wed Jun 30 03:30:24 2004 From: efrendv at yahoo.es (=?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?=) Date: Wed Jun 30 03:30:28 2004 Subject: DIW/Avant question In-Reply-To: <20040629174551.20830.qmail@web41501.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040630093024.75608.qmail@web41510.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, The Disk Union website (http://www.diskunion.co.jp/) still lists the complete catalogues of both, but it hasn't been updated since February. I don't know if that means much. Probably the guys at DMG will have a documented answer to this. Best, Efr?n del Valle n.p: Amplify 2002 Boxset -Disc 3 (Erstwhile) --- Uncle Gaspard escribi?: > Hi all > > I've been off list for a while. > I noticed that the Forced Exposure website mentioned > that "all Avant/DIW titles have recently been > deleted > and are no longer available". I looked at the > archives to see if you all have been discussing this > and couldn't see it. > Does anyone have the scoop on this? I emailed > Forced > Exposure to no effect. I could as the DMG folks. > > Don't mean to either a: start a panic or b: bring up > old news. > > thanks, > ml. > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile > phone. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo > > _______________________________________________ > zorn-list mailing list > zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com > To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, > go to the webpage below > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list > ______________________________________________ Renovamos el Correo Yahoo!: ?100 MB GRATIS! Nuevos servicios, m?s seguridad http://correo.yahoo.es From francko.lamerikx at philips.com Wed Jun 30 04:46:15 2004 From: francko.lamerikx at philips.com (francko.lamerikx@philips.com) Date: Wed Jun 30 04:48:23 2004 Subject: Hits of RD Burman Vol 2 Message-ID: > The new Secret Chiefs 3 "Book of Horizons" has changed my life by the > way. It is hands down the best and most interesting release of the year. Trey has finally surpassed all expectations, and I think we can now rest assured that we do not need Bungle to reconvene. "Book of Horizons" is simply better than anything that was released since "Disco Volante". Frankco From griffinzachary at sbcglobal.net Wed Jun 30 12:56:56 2004 From: griffinzachary at sbcglobal.net (Zachary Griffin) Date: Wed Jun 30 12:57:18 2004 Subject: Question about Benefit for Sim Cain Message-ID: Hello, I saw that Tonic is hosting a "Benefit for Sim Cain" in late July (I believe the 24th) with Zorn, Marc Ribot and Vernon Reid among others. I'm a big fan of his drumming since his days in The Rollins Band. I'd hate to jump to conclusions. But I am wondering if something bad happened to him? Please email privately if this topic has been covered previously. Thank you. From db at biink.com Wed Jun 30 13:58:22 2004 From: db at biink.com (David Beardsley) Date: Wed Jun 30 13:58:22 2004 Subject: Question about Benefit for Sim Cain In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40E31B5E.6030006@biink.com> Zachary Griffin wrote: >Hello, > I saw that Tonic is hosting a "Benefit for Sim Cain" in late July (I >believe the 24th) with Zorn, Marc Ribot and Vernon Reid among others. I'm a >big fan of his drumming since his days in The Rollins Band. I'd hate to >jump to conclusions. But I am wondering if something bad happened to him? >Please email privately if this topic has been covered previously. Thank >you. > Rumor is he broke his leg. Whadda kick ass drummer. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db