That portmanteau is mentioned in one of the mountain man journals.
--- On Fri, 7/18/08, Sean Kyle <neotoma_mexicana@???> wrote:
From: Sean Kyle <neotoma_mexicana@???>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bags
To: Hist_text@???, "Wynn" <wheels@???>
Date: Friday, July 18, 2008, 7:45 PM
Wynn,
Forgot to mention the fire kit... In general, I think you are right shot
pouches were often used as a pocket of sorts. My point was only that you
don't need every gadget ever sold to make one of these things fire. When
I started out shooting black powder, I'd leave a trail of crap behind me
every time I tried to load my gun and I spent a lot of time digging in my pouch
trying to find things. However, I do occasionally throw other things in my
shot pouch because its handy. Everyone is an individual so do what works for
you.
I also think its odd that so little period art shows saddle bags or pommel
bags. There are several options for carrying the other stuff though.
Larpenture mentions a simple saddle bag made of muslin that was also described
by Rex Norman in a recent Muzzleloader article and also by Alex Miller.
There's also an AJ Miller painting called "Indian Warrior and his
Squaw" that depicts a very anglo-looking saddle bag that is beaded and
fringed hanging from the cantle of the woman's saddle. Its basically a
decorated haversack that looks boxy like its made of rawhide. The shoulder
strap is looped over high cantle. The painting is reproduced on page 78 of
R.E. Ahlborn's 'Man Made Mobile'. A third option is a
portmanteau, which is a cylindrical or rectangular leather valise attached
behind the cantle of the saddle. There's an example on Steve
Stefley's web page:
http://www.bisonsaddlery.com/historicalreproductions/detail.asp?ID=183
Sean
--- On Fri, 7/18/08, Wynn <wheels@???> wrote:
From: Wynn <wheels@???>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bags
To: neotoma_mexicana@???, Hist_text@???
Date: Friday, July 18, 2008, 1:13 PM
Alright I will argue this one. when I look at the artwork and journals I
don't see guys with anything but one bag. I don't see pouches on their
belts.
back packs on their shoulders, rarely saddle bags. I say that the shooting bag
is great if you are a stand on the line and shoot guy but if you get outt and
about its a great place for an eye piece fire starting kit compass cleaning
equip camp dogging equip and etc.
To admit it, it also carries the camera and TP and money sometimes. Then I
will also admit that when it comes to the possibles bag, which is the way I see
it, I am not a purest.
Wynn
----- Original Message -----
From: Sean Kyle
To: Hist_text@???
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bags
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 09:55:23 -0700 (PDT)
>
Les,
>
> Not much... Balls and patches where I can get to them in
> a hurry, as well as caps if I'm shooting a caplock. The
>
balls and caps go in small pockets sewn on the inside in
> the back of my pouch. The patches are precut and laying
> in top of the rest of the stuff in there. The 'rest of
>
the stuff' is a small leather bag that holds a jag, screw,
>
worm, small turnscrew, a small oiler bottle or a small tin
> of
tallow, plus a few flints if needed. That's it. The
>
period name for it is a 'shot pouch' which means that it
> holds the stuff you need for shooting. Resist the
> temptation to turn it into a 'man purse' or day pack.
>
Then you just spend all your time looking for stuff
> instead of reloading in a quick, efficient manner. The
>
rest of your stuff goes in a saddlebag, haversack,
>
backpack, or on a packhorse. Anything that won't go in or
>
on one of those, stays at home.
>
>
Sean
>
>
>
--- On Fri, 7/18/08, Les Chaffin
>
wrote: From: Les Chaffin
>
Subject: MtMan-List: Bags
>
To: Hist_text@???
>
Date: Friday, July 18, 2008, 10:35 AM
>
>
I am trying to collect the correct accoutrements to place
>
in my shooting bag. What accoutrements do you place in
>
your shooting bag?
>
>
Les Chaffin
>
Meridian, Idaho
>
>
>
>
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